To think droves of teachers will make the decision by husband made today- to leave

So true! I'd say 90% of the people I work with are liars. Management stick together to the point you think you're going crazy. It's absolutely toxic. I seriously want out.

People need to learn that their actions have consequences. If you or your child attack a teacher, have fun educating your child yourself, or in the private sector. If you attack NHS staff, the same thing, have fun paying private medical fees, and getting medical insurance when the insurers know you have no recourse to use the NHS.

And in both cases due to behaviour by "customers" (kids/parents and patients/family) and their bosses.

Some people won’t be happy unless teachers are on minimum wage with 4 weeks off a year.

nope.

But you aren’t paid over the holidays but your salary is divided by 12 into equal amounts isn’t that pro rata?

And how do those engineers, fitters and technicians get those skills?

If the advertised rate per hour was £27.26p, it would still be £10 per hour more than a junior doctor. And a teacher getting a decision wrong is unlikely to kill anyone. (And yes, of course I know the paid hours are not the hours actually worked, in either profession).

Regardless, it is not great rewards for years of study and training. However, we employ engineers, fitters and technicians at about £17 -£20 per hour to look after equipment and systems that keep submariners safe from air poisoning at sea 600 ft underwater.

Let's talk about how we value skills in the modern world.

I’ve been teaching 12 years and I recognise everything your husband has experienced. Senior leadership not supporting us on behaviour and with parents who dont believe their children could possibly be in the wrong are my main stressors. Unfortunately this has at times made me very nearly quit. I feel as a grown adult you are not believed or seen as important enough to be taken care of and this grinds you down over the years.

The only way they could really do this is by advertising the hourly rate as £27.67, which they couldn't actually do because then they'd have to pay by the hour, which they don't. £27.67ph is not very high in comparison to other qualified professionals.

Nurses and teachers are leaving in droves. It's an appalling state of affairs that things have gotten so bad.

Teaching is a joke. You can literally be bullied by pupils with false complaints. Bullies by leadership by false statements. Be assaulted. Mentally broken. And still called lazy!

If only we could down tools once we hit 1265 hrs! My summer break could start around the Easter holidays

Teachers are contracted to work 195 days per, its not pro rata because its not a full year contract.

@Grammarnut i have a stupid question.

If a teacher has a salary of 35k a year, if you are only paid for contact hours - pro rata wouldn’t this mean the salary is actually a lot higher? More that the government could say your salary is 60k but it’s a lot lower? Like how they advertise teaching assistant jobs? If teachers aren’t paid for their holidays?

Ive always wondered if pointing this out could screw teachers over in the future if the government work this out as a way of making teaching look better?

You can't do that nowadays. You have to run it past 'management', and send a letter home for parental consent. Do you risk sending the letter home with child or post it? The parent needs to be available to collect the child at the end of detention - they may refuse! The school would be in trouble if child normally uses school transport and sets off home alone. And it all takes too long to put in place. Meanwhile the child may offend again. I used to regularly give up half my lunch hour for pupils as a punishment or to catch up on missing work as I had no other means of discipline. I don't think that sanction is available in a lot of schools as head teachers have shortened the lunch hour to prevent pupils causing trouble in town centres and shops.

And it is for all these reasons that I didn't bother pursuing a second career in education after my PGCE. I enjoyed class teaching, but I was 53 when I got my NQT, and was never even invited for an interview. But I would probably have been seen as 'difficult' or, more likely, expensive.

In my experience trips out are a nightmare to prepare and a nightmare to carry out. My late DH always said they were teacher jollies (he liked to wind me up and I was very bad at falling for the bait, so I do not blame him a great deal) and I always told him they were not. He did not give up on the idea until I told him about a trip to a local wildlife museum (taken that day, came home shattered) when one of the pupils lagged behind. Late DH was a youth leader and very outdoorsy, and one of the rules he instilled in everyone was that you go at the pace of the slowest. So when I said I had been lumbered with watching this DC all the time and he hung about, he was furious and pointed out how dangerous this was. No more mutters about teacher jollies.

Id say the biggest problem is the behaviour. Plus the workload. Then add some toxic, blame culture management to the mix. Some management is really good but they have their hands tied to a large extent and then when none of the sanctions work , the kids are emboldened and get off with it because nobody and nothing can control them.
I have got to say that the majority of kids are lovely and their education is being wrecked by the out of control few.

The point you make is sensible, but you don't need to preface it with "you do realise" which is really patronising. All you need to say is "in my experience" or similar.

@Grammarnut I don't know, I hardly know the kids but suspect one of them has a difficult family who like to cause a fuss. I have never been pulled up on my conduct, only how kind I am to the students! I'm baffled and furious at the same time!

Once had an S3/Y10 boy stick his hand down his trousers and move it in a vigorous manner. I told him get his hand out of his trousers and he became aggressive. (I was HoD.)

Parents called in: "He was only scratching." [What?! 15 yr old boy thinks its okay to scratch his privates in public?"]

His father was the local Police Inspector.

An S3/Y10 girl accused me of hitting her. I'd told her to sit down and had gesticulated with a pointed finger whilst doing so.

Fortunately for me, it was in front of the entire class and every single pupil testified on my behalf.

Several things. I was hounded out of my post in the last school I had a f/t contract - this cost me a lot of my pension as I went on supply (another can of worms). Headteacher did not back her staff at all and managed to reduce the lunch 45 minutes to 30 by insisting all teachers were on duty for five minutes at beginning and end of lunch. School a nightmare for behaviour - I was the tenth person to leave in one term, all experienced teachers.
On supply I took a year six class and a boy called me 'bitch' but not in English. Unfortunately for him, I knew the relevant swear word he used and picked him up. He denied it was wrong. I complained. Result was that the school decided they never wanted me to do supply there again. I had called into question the discipline in the school by pointing out that boys (always boys) were swearing at the teachers with apparent impunity.
At another school a boy threw a book across the room and it hit me on the back of the neck. Not a small book, a hard-back dictionary. School did not like me complaining. Agency dropped me. Union took the incident to a tribunal for me with a barrister and I got compensation, but most of my supply work dried up.
A rule I learned the hard way: if you do supply you NEVER report an incident because the school will not want to know.
Rather more insidious: a Teaching Assistant accused me of calling a SEN pupil a 'retard'. Naive as I was, I had never heard this expression used in this way and denied it. It didn't matter. I knew I had not said it but for some reason, the TA wanted to make my life untenable. Another school off my supply list - and no way I could defend myself.
Last of all was the teenage boy who pretended to masturbate in class and when challenged said that the only woman he respected was his mother, so I and the girls in the classroom could suck it up, he could/would do as he chose. I had him removed from the room but he was not sanctioned - went off to do something more entertaining i.e. school contained him. The school was closed a year or so later mainly because of disastrous results and behaviour - the staff tried very, very hard but there was a culture among the students that women did not matter and many of the staff were women and I think this played a part in the behaviour issue particularly of the boys.
And parents wonder why there is a huge turnover of staff and why supply teachers are in short supply.

Why did the head believe them? You believe the teacher unless there is any other evidence. I don't blame you chucking it in, but go and see your union rep and raise Hell first!