There's no such thing as an independent female

Life without men in my close proximity is joyful, relaxed, free and fulfilling.
Took a long time to get there.
Full stop.

With advancements in science it's probably soon going to be possible for women to be artificially inseminated with synthetic sperm and reproduce together.

Men don't have the ability to carry or grow the baby.

If there were only men or only women the species would die out very quickly either way. I'm not sure the women would die out quicker than the men though. They might create totally different style end times though.

Leave him and prove him wrong. Nothing else for it. He thinks women are lesser, he doesn't deserve a relationship with one.

Not read many PPs but doesn't he know what a terrible reputation Andrew Tate has? Haven't followed the story but he was jailed in Romania - holding women against their will, rape and human trafficking. Only an idiot would ''follow'' him.
What an idiot - what's P's IQ?!

Contempt is one of the main predictors of relationship breakdown.

Reading your posts its clear he doesn't respect or appreciate you, and actually his belief in the Andrew Tate gospel is giving you the ick.

It sounds like he used to be supportive and a good partner way back in the past, but his recent treatment of you is unacceptable - why on earth would you want to stay with someone who wants to bring you down?

I could be wrong but I think their whole point is even if you're financially independent, you are still living in a building probably built by men, using roads and transportation built by men, using electricity coming from cables laid by men blah blah blah

Ah, so he means we're all interdependent on other people.

Imagine him making the same remarks to your daughter and him trying to limit her life and aspirations in that way. And imagine your son’s view of women being shaped - in his own home - in the same way as your husband and AT. And then make a decision. It will be a very hard one, I’m sorry.

If you’re both not careful, your son will absorb these things and one day parrot them back to another poor woman, and the toxicity will live another generation. And your daughter might find herself saddled to a man who thinks the same way, and treats her accordingly.

Both situations would be tragic.

It's actually quite amusing. These types think they're supremely intelligent and that they have unearthed some amazing theory. All they have deduced is what everyone knows anyway which is that everyone in society performs a specific role and is inter dependent.

Time to go prove woman can be independent I think!

@SquirrelSoShiny

Also don't want to de-rail the thread but did want to apologise and clarify what I meant.

I was referring to what I see as an unpleasant zeitgeist gaining traction mainly due to the Internet and its sophisticated psychological button pushing algorithms.

The flippant "ladybrain" comment comes from seeing what I believe is termed evolutionary psychology used as another tool to entrench positions of men versus women in the "sex wars" . It's pseudo science and being used as a get out clause to try and bring back a more "traditional " societal model. It's trying to suggest that the ills of society can be solely laid at the feet of Mother Nature (ha) and that despite powers if logic and reason we are doomed by our wiring.

FWIW I agree that encouraging both sexes to take responsibility for themselves and their well-being via simple steps that modern society has over-complicated is not a bad thing, but if "Tidy your room" is seen as a revelation to young men because a man said it, versus mothers begging for their offspring to do it for aeons, it proves that there is a general attitude to women and their wisdom that it is somehow "lesser".

I really didn't mean to be patronising - my words were reflective of what I see going on in the world, not aimed at you per se.

Anyway - sending best wishes - I appreciate a robust debate and the opportunity to reflect. We all have something to bring to the table 😊

What absolute bollocks.

Poor kids, I hope they got their mothers IQ.

In this situation you really do need to just throw the whole man away. Plus then he can see how well he lives and gets on without a woman being "dependant" on him 🙄.

I could be wrong but I think their whole point is even if you're financially independent, you are still living in a building probably built by men, using roads and transportation built by men, using electricity coming from cables laid by men blah blah blah

I mean it's totally ridiculous. Even if you believe totally in male and female roles and think people should stick to them...then men aren't independent either. They are birthed by women who are assisted generally by midwives who are women, and are educated in school by usually female teachers.

It's all nonsense

My response to this would be if you really think I can't survive without you boy are you about to find out exactly how much I thrive without you.

My husband is well aware that women are the superior gender and often tells me that if women ran the world there would be far less war etc.

It's such a stupid divisive attitude as well because most men aren't independent either as they need other men to do those so called manly things for them.
What super independent survival things can your dh do? Can he farm? Grow crops? Do the plumbing and electrics in your house? Build an extension? Build a car?
Women can learn those skills just as well as any man could.

I’m straight and have never relied financially on a man. I paid the mortgage for my ex husband and I until I kicked him out. He pays no child support. I now live with a partner and pat two thirds of the mortgage (because I earn nearly three times what he earns. In what world am I financially dependent?

How would I be less dependent if these were women as opposed to men?

I don't want to derail your thread OP by debating the merits of JP vs AT. JP doesn't need me to frankly.

Suffice to say - I don't really like groupthink that we're 'supposed to' dislike someone like JP as an entity. I can like some of what he says while completely rejecting other bits. We're all quite complicated and inconsistent at times. It's rather patronising to imply that I could only agree with him on some things because my sweet ladybrain is all bamboozled by his big words.

His biggest issue seems to be his wide fan base so some of the videos are titled provocatively ('JP DESTROYS feminist! JP SLAMS lady!') and then you watch a perfectly polite exchange of differing viewpoints. It's just the channel creator using key words to drive traffic.

If I was forced to recommend one manosphere dude to teenage boys and men I would 100% pick the guy who tells them to take responsibility for themselves and be better. However OP your husband is presumably a grown man. I would be disgusted too, would robustly challenge him and then get on with being awesome - with or without him!

I think without women there would be a lot of illness and weak children from unhygenic conditions and malnutrition

Reading so many threads today where seemingly intelligent women are actually sharing their time and thinking of sharing futures with these misogynistic arseholes! Have they no arsehole radars?

Such as?

As a species we're interdependent on each other, but only insomuch that we can't be experts in everything so we need help from others for some jobs. But women absolutely could function well without men. We may not be as physically strong but that's largely irrelevant with labour-saving machinery and devices, and if a task is too physically challenging we just get creative!

Women can farm, hunt, drive heavy machinery, build, etc, just as well as men given the training. Hasn't he heard of the Women’s Land Army and Women’s Timber Corps?! 🙄His argument is ridiculous as most men can't do the things he mentioned, and there isn't a special man brain for "man jobs". Dickhead!

I know this is not really the point of the post but can I add Steve Harvey to the mix who has got to be the biggest hidden misogynist out there.

He says things like a man can't be friends with a woman without wanting to have sex with her (because obviously she has nothing else going for her than sex appeal), and worst of all - his audience (including women) clap along! 🤢

I think it's true men are generally better at some things but so are we