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There's no such thing as an independent female

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Yoyodiet · 16/06/2024 23:35

I'm so wound up! Earlier, DP said to me he thinks I would benefit from signing up to Andrew Tate's academy course or whatever it is (I like learning about making money online, more out of interest than actually doing it myself). I said probably, but I wouldn't want to fund him as I don't like him. He asked why and I said he's not very nice to/about women. He was aghast and we went back and forth, defending him for the most part when I was reading bits off to him from a BBC article to prove my point. I read the following -

In that same video, he described women as "intrinsically lazy" and said there was "no such thing as an independent female".

...and he was like 'yeah, no women can be independent, you need men'. I couldn't believe it! I won't bore you with the heated discussion that ensued but he genuinely believes that not just I would crumble without a man (him), but all women on the planet if men suddenly disappeared. We would apparently perish in good time because we 'cannot hunt, do electrics, fix a roof or change a tyre'. (To add insult to injury I have qualifications in electrical installation and engineering, I'm pretty sure I could also change a tyre if push came to shove).

Also, I said I think there would be less wars without men - he said there'd me more because women are bitchy?? I said I'm pretty sure men have started a lot more wars than women in history. He pointed in my face and told me women didn't even fight in wars til recently. I reminded him that men made those rules.. 😂

He genuinelyyyyyy believes I'd fall apart without him. Our relationship has been rocky lately but this really made me see a different side to him. He really made me feel like a lesser person and it's made me feel really disappointed since. AIBU to be lying in bed awake stewing over this???

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ElaineMBenes · 17/06/2024 10:46

This would be a dealbreaker for me.
I couldn't be in a relationship with someone who clearly hates women.

Grammarnut · 17/06/2024 10:44

Yoyodiet · 16/06/2024 23:35

I'm so wound up! Earlier, DP said to me he thinks I would benefit from signing up to Andrew Tate's academy course or whatever it is (I like learning about making money online, more out of interest than actually doing it myself). I said probably, but I wouldn't want to fund him as I don't like him. He asked why and I said he's not very nice to/about women. He was aghast and we went back and forth, defending him for the most part when I was reading bits off to him from a BBC article to prove my point. I read the following -

In that same video, he described women as "intrinsically lazy" and said there was "no such thing as an independent female".

...and he was like 'yeah, no women can be independent, you need men'. I couldn't believe it! I won't bore you with the heated discussion that ensued but he genuinely believes that not just I would crumble without a man (him), but all women on the planet if men suddenly disappeared. We would apparently perish in good time because we 'cannot hunt, do electrics, fix a roof or change a tyre'. (To add insult to injury I have qualifications in electrical installation and engineering, I'm pretty sure I could also change a tyre if push came to shove).

Also, I said I think there would be less wars without men - he said there'd me more because women are bitchy?? I said I'm pretty sure men have started a lot more wars than women in history. He pointed in my face and told me women didn't even fight in wars til recently. I reminded him that men made those rules.. 😂

He genuinelyyyyyy believes I'd fall apart without him. Our relationship has been rocky lately but this really made me see a different side to him. He really made me feel like a lesser person and it's made me feel really disappointed since. AIBU to be lying in bed awake stewing over this???

He's wrong on women fighting in wars, but you are mistaken if you think a world run by women would be less warlike. Women have caused wars, fought in them (the women of Leicester fought from the walls during the English Civil War, for example, and were not the only women at the time to do such a thing) and plenty have taken armies onto the field, if not actually joined in the fighting - you need a lot of umph to wield a battle axe - e.g. (examples from Britain btw), Margaret of Anjou, the Empress Matilda, Aethelflaed, the Lady of the Mercians, Catherine of Aragon, Boudica, Margaret Tudor (had cannons fired on her second husband - they did not get on) and generally the chatelaine of a castle would have to defend them if attacked. And women have caused as many wars - and been as vicious during sacks. So we obviously do not need men to cling onto - suggest you tell him this.
And who wants to sign onto anything with nasty Andrew Tate? Rapist etc? He wants you to sign onto something produced by a rapist?

GerbilsForever24 · 17/06/2024 10:42

I suspect that he's always had these tendencies but they were probably hidden in subtle ways. Chivalry or just a natural tendency to have a more traditionally male/female set up at home and then you have a situation like this where you wake up one day and realise he's a raging misogynist. And stupid to boot.

It's probably time to start rethinking this relationship completely OP. I'm sorry.

damebarbaracartlandsbiggestfan · 17/06/2024 10:42

Decent, normal blokes have no interest in Andrew Tate. He has nothing to offer anyone.
I have no idea how he casts this spell over some people. If you see him interviewed, he struggles even to make eye contact, so not sure why some people find him so charismatic and appealing.
I've seen the video where he is violent to a woman with a belt, the one where he admits he used to deal, and am well aware that he himself effectively admitted to grooming young women for cam work, despite his recent backtracking.
How do his 'fans' not know all this? Some people really need a guru to spoon feed them and are happy to take things at face value. Sad really.
Run a mile and then run a few more OP.

MyQuaintDog · 17/06/2024 10:42

Plenty of lesbian communities where they do everything for themselves.

Floorbard · 17/06/2024 10:41

SquirrelSoShiny · 17/06/2024 08:25

I assumed that too but then I started watching some of his videos directly rather than relying on secondhand descriptions. It was eye-opening. He talks quite eloquently and compassionately about some areas of mental health including depression. I think a lot of young men are feeling lost and depressed and uncertain.

At least JP tells them to eat well, exercise and upskill themselves to gain self-respect and improve their life chances. Unlike AT who's all 'Yo! Bitches and hos! Look at my bling car! Be rich with zero effort.'

Agree to disagree, I think it’s pretty obvious that he’s a complete misogynist. Also hard disagree on calling him eloquent or compassionate!

ChristmasCwtch · 17/06/2024 10:40

He sounds like he’s got underlying insecurities!!

In the bin!!

midgetastic · 17/06/2024 10:37

Oh dont be daft

On average men are better at strength and speed and the best man will beat the best woman

I stand by that despite your examples which really prove the point

So what? It's just biology and it doesn't make a man better or superior really does it ? Women are better at giving birth - that's biology again

Biology is real - don't deny where it does matter as that just makes you look stupid and so weakens the case for women to be taken seriously where biology doesn't make a difference
Like logical thinking and factual analysis

CandidHedgehog · 17/06/2024 10:35

Whatever he pretended to be like when dating, he’s now well down the Andrew Tate rabbit hole. It’s time to start planning for your exit.

Since you describe him as your DP not your DH, you need to be aware you are entitled to child support and assets with your name on them only. If he’s got the savings / the house in his name, you won’t get a penny (unless you manage to show your contributions in court - expensive, lengthy court proceedings and not guaranteed to succeed).

Giving up work will mean you are trapped. If he gets even more abusive, you won’t be able to leave. He sounds like the type to give you a card to make purchases and then check receipts (so you can’t ’steal his money’). Do you want to be begging for money for basic clothes for you and the children? Because this type of man will be happy to make you do so.

exiledfromcornwall · 17/06/2024 10:31

If Tate thinks women are intrinsically lazy he should read some of the threads on here. Fox example the one with the poor woman just home from an op whose husband is not lifting a finger to help her. I've seen too many other threads about useless waste of space husbands.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 17/06/2024 10:30

midgetastic · 17/06/2024 10:25

Men are generally better at reaching high things , at thumping things hard, throwing things and running fast

Not terribly useful overall and not things to be admired really but they do have their uses

Reaching high things - I'm taller than most men on my family and half the men in DHs so I'm better at that.

Thumping things hard - Nicola Adams

Throwing things - Jessica Ennis-Hill

Running fast - Katarina J-T.

Just off the top of my head.

I actually like men (proper ones who aren't d!cks), but there's always women who can do things better than most men.

Runsyd · 17/06/2024 10:29

'No such thing as an independent female, DH? Why don't we put that to the test and you pack your bags and leave? Cheerio.'

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 17/06/2024 10:29

I would leave to protect my DD from this sort of bullshit

MobilityCat · 17/06/2024 10:28

Yoyodiet · 16/06/2024 23:49

We've been together 9 years and we have two children, a DS and a DD. Honesty this has shocked me to the core, when we met I was doing my engineering apprenticeship and he was super impressed with my achievements and prospects. He's pretty much chipped away at my confidence and self esteem since (recently realised) but I never saw it in a misogynistic light. Perhaps it has been? It makes me worried for my DC's.

This is more than being misogynistic, his treatment of you is classic gaslighting.

midgetastic · 17/06/2024 10:27

Anyway time to demonstrate what an independent female looks like

midgetastic · 17/06/2024 10:27

There are still some very simple tribes in various places in the world

They tend to hold women in high esteem and women have a place at the table when it comes to running the tribe

Because the men admit that they would starve if it wasn't for the women managing a regular supply of food - hunting is too unreliable

MimiSunshine · 17/06/2024 10:26

OP I would bet money that you haven’t prioritised your career due to your family. And now he’s wormed worked is way into to essentially the same career as you in order to better you.

dump his arse and start focusing on your career and what you want from it. He’s gone now, any views of you and women that he’s kept hidden so far are now in the open and he doesn’t feel the need to hide anymore

midgetastic · 17/06/2024 10:25

Men are generally better at reaching high things , at thumping things hard, throwing things and running fast

Not terribly useful overall and not things to be admired really but they do have their uses

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 17/06/2024 10:25

Yoyodiet · 17/06/2024 06:32

He's now in engineering and he's somehow worked his way in to a great job with no quals. Giving him his dues he is good at problem solving/fixing, but he reminds me regularly. He makes me feel small, and he's about to have a big pay rise so I should quit the job I love to 'earn more to aspire to be like him'. This has played out in the past few months and made me step back and look at our relationship. He's not supportive, he brings me down.

I've heard him listen to AT tiktok videos on occasion recently and I didn't think much of it, just rolled my eyes internally but perhaps he's actually actively following him 😩

I'm planning a sit down chat tonight about this and other things.

I hear that as "oh you silly woman, you should have just been like me, a big man, and accidentally fallen into a job".

Before you leave him, point out that if he can only see worth in money, his value as a "man" is lower than those who can see value in happiness and family.

Emotionalsupportviper · 17/06/2024 10:25

We would apparently perish in good time because we 'cannot hunt

He regularly slaughters a mammoth for the kitchen, does he?

Arsehole!

Mirabai · 17/06/2024 10:22

I'm planning a sit down chat tonight about this and other things

What “chat” do you think will address the fact he’s a misogynist cockwomble?

Don’t chat, run.

godmum56 · 17/06/2024 10:22

Starlight7080 · 17/06/2024 10:20

I think the major red flag is listerning to anything Andrew tate has to say .

😁

Starlight7080 · 17/06/2024 10:20

I think the major red flag is listerning to anything Andrew tate has to say .

CandidaAlbicans2 · 17/06/2024 10:12

Marrta · 17/06/2024 08:45

I think without women there would be a lot of illness and weak children from unhygenic conditions and malnutrition

Sorry, I meant the part where you said "I think it's true men are generally better at some things". I'm curious to hear what things you think men are generally better at than women.

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