There's no such thing as an independent female

One of the central ideas of the red pill/ Andrew Tate brigade is that women are solipsistic i. e. only see the world through their own life, now while I believe men and women need each other to make the world run, I have to say the number of women here saying they're independent as pay mortgage, earn own money etc support this view.

This is not about one woman (or one man) it's about women and men.

Frankly, without men we can't do anything. But we can't do much without women, either.

Was going to say the same thing! I didn’t read the whole post but no one is independent whether we like it or not!

This is the first you knew of his interest in AT and your partner having misogynistic views?

That in itself is beyond mind boggling.

The question is, now you know, what are you going to do about it?

For me, I would have to leave. I really would have no love or respect for someone who feels that women are lesser, they're better than me because of their sex.

There would be no way back for me. Seriously.

I feel that you've got some hard decisions ahead, OP.

He genuinelyyyyyy believes I'd fall apart without him

Time to prove him wrong.

Anyone who idolizes Andrew Tate is a raging misogynist. No way round that.

Not sure your relationship is worth saving, tbh.

You've clearly been blind to his misogyny; this is why he's been knocking you down, down, down repetitively over the years. He's threatened by you and women in general.

Your poor daughter.

"Chinless wonder" 😂and he looks as if he has drawn that pathetic beard on with a sharpie pen!

Go, get out now, I don't know how old he is but I can promise you that his repellant views will get worse as time goes by. His attitude is shocking, and the fact that he feels comfortable verbalising these appalling woman hating views to your face is very disturbing. If this is what he says, I dread to contemplate what he is thinking and the sort of conversations he has with other males when there are no women around. In passing, I wonder what he would make of women like me (and there are plenty of us!) who have raised a child alone, paid off a mortgage single handed, gone back to college while working and raising a child so that they can gain more qualifications and obtain better paid work, been responsible for all the bills and home maintenance and all without a male helping us!

Well said.

Ha ha ha! I love it, not the possibility of an independant woman. I am very much an independant woman. I own my own house, pay all my own bills, look after my own kid. My exH had been unemployed for many many years when I finally ditched him. He took 50% of the equity in the house that I paid for (I paid the deposit from the sale of my own flat that he'd never contributed to) as he was always unemployed. I either do my own DIY / mechanics etc.. or I pay people. The same with cleaning and other activities. I do it or I sub-contract it.

I would 100% dump any man who even had the slightest hint of the Andrew Tate about him. Mysoginist bastard!

Prove him wrong that you can thrive without him not just survive. What an idiot

The testosterone will affect how violent men feel but I guess you could also say that there is some evidence that the hormones which cause PMT will make women feel more violent. In either case it comes down to learning to manage the feelings, along with self control/understanding effect of violence or empathy/problem solving skills/self awareness bla bla.

Oh Come On!!! That chinless wonder Andrew Tate thinks that any man who enjoys having sex with a woman is gay. He's a logical black hole! A slug on testosterone has more brainpower than him or any of the drooling idiots who think he's cool.

There is sone evidence that testosterone does make men more violent than women - as are women who are given testosterone- although the amount of violence is heavily affected by society and expectations

Males are not inherently more violent though. Violence is to do with lack of self control, lack of empathy and poor problem solving skills. All these are teachable skills and lack of them is related to unresolved trauma and learned behaviour in childhood etc etc. So we have to ask ourselves the question - if men are statistically more likely to be violent, why is that? And what can be done?

We know that saying the female brain is "different" is not true, other than to do with hormone production, so by the same trope, men are not more violent, intrinsically, I am afraid.

Not sure "let women rule the world" is going to help much.

Pee all over the floor?
Starting wars?
Going bald?

I wonder how he’d cope without you?

Omg get him in the bin.

What a dickhead. I think my vagina would shrivel up if I had to listen to such sexist bullshit.

I couldn't be in a relationship with a misogynist. In fact, one of the things I love most about my DH is that he is a feminist.

Have the chat, see how receptive he is.
Sometimes pointing out outdated tropes can actually be really helpful. I have had to have a couple of chats with my parents and grandparents in the past saying they can't use certain words / phrases anymore as it could be construed as racist / homophobic / sexist. They were appreciative of the chat but then again they are educated, kind people who don't want to cause offence as they are not racist / homophobic /sexist. Sounds like your DH is not of that ilk.

Could be a fundamental clash of values here. I would definitely post him to the various documentaries showing how AT is a prat and it's all about money and power for him.
Try to get your DH to critically think - it will be hard for him as it sounds like he hasn't had to use this skillset before.

Dump the chauvinist pig.

Mate, your relationship with this man is degrading. He will always see you as less than him.

Leave him. I don't think I've ever posted that before on MN, but AT is toxic. The whole alpha bro thing is a cult of manufactured dependence on the self-nominated alphas. That the whole Tate and alpha bro thing is homoerotic as fuck is amusing to watch it from a distance, but close-up in a relationship or friendship it's just toxic.

Why would you be with someone who is clearly as thick as fuck? Please, please show him this thread before dumping this pond life.

@midgetastic

Women aren't better at giving birth than men, that's a ridiculous example. Men physically cannot do that. We will never know if "the best man will beat the best woman" at that.

Logical thinking and factual analysis are also not a male trait. They're a human trait and people thinking it's a male thing are the reason that many young girls are put off entering STEM fields. They're told they can't, it's a boy thing. Totally wrong.

Depends on how literally you want to take this.

I am financially independent. I own my own house. I have savings. I earn a good salary. If I didn't have DH, I would manage to exist, but I would most certainly have to pay a man to do certain things for me, that I can't do. Things like fix my car, fix the roof, mend my boiler etc, etc. So in that sense, I would still have to employ men.

Now, if a woman could do every job a man does, then I guess I could just pay another woman to do those jobs for me. So, I think the question is : are there any jobs that men can do, that a woman cannot?

There are certainly many jobs that exist that are 99% male dominated. But is that because we have never had to think about women doing those jobs, as we don't need to? There are loads of jobs I'd hate to do, that are male dominated. Would women step up? We are generally more risk averse, I think.

I agree that if all world leaders were female, there would be A LOT less war, if any.