There's no such thing as an independent female

Yes, I'm sure that's why AT trafficks and sexually assaults women, as part of a "justified reaction" to a claim very few people are making, not because he is a stone-cold psychopath who hates women. 🙄

Nice try at being an apologist for scum like AT, but no sale.

It's probably social conditioning more than anything. I mean, for example, there are still very much "girls' toys" and "boys' toys", and the way the sexes are treated is often different, so this shapes us.

It absolutely is social conditioning and societal expectations around the role of men and women in society.

I would most certainly have to pay a man to do certain things for me, that I can't do. Things like fix my car, fix the roof, mend my boiler etc, etc. So in that sense, I would still have to employ men.

@somanythingstosay, no, you would need to employ other people, those with the skills or desire you don't. They don't need to be men.

Now, if a woman could do every job a man does, then I guess I could just pay another woman to do those jobs for me. So, I think the question is : are there any jobs that men can do, that a woman cannot?

The jobs you've described can, and do, get done by women. Just because they are male-dominated careers doesn't mean women can't do them. Of course some techniques may need to be adapted to take into account the average women isn't as physically strong as the average man, but that's it.

It's interesting to look at why there are still traditionally male and female jobs. I've heard the argument that women don't like to do the dirty jobs, but I dispute that. Just look at what carers and nurses have to do! Personally I'd rather like to work in sewers! It's probably social conditioning more than anything. I mean, for example, there are still very much "girls' toys" and "boys' toys", and the way the sexes are treated is often different, so this shapes us.

Yuck. I wouldn't want a man with those kind of values bringing up my daughter. Tell him in no uncertain terms no more Andrew Tate, educate yourself , or it's over.

My late DH could both fix a roof and hunt. Not a roofer. Once a crofter. Having hill rights he - like everyone else - hunted, rabbits mostly (anathema to crofters) and hares. He had a very odd experience when hunting a hare in winter, finding himself in a part of the island he had never been before (within a couple of miles of his croft it seemed from the time factor), and could never find again once he was on the road back home. Hares, of course, are magical and hunting them in spring is part of the rites of fertility to make sure the crop is good - the hunt is both sacred to Eostra and of her (stories abound of chasing a wounded hare into a barn to find a young woman there - cue quick exit, of course, for she is dangerous as well as benevolent).

@Yoyodiet how did the chat go?

Less violent, not fewer wars. War, though violent, has nothing to do with whether the initiators are violent. Violence against the person, which is indeed 98% perpetrated by men, is not the same as violence against another polity.

It sounds like he was probably jealous of your achievements in the early days and has set his goals to go one better than you and now he's got there, he's feels superior and in my opinion is inflaming things deliberately to get a rise out of you.

Not sure why he feels the need to do that, but proceed with caution and maybe grey rock him

@somanythingstosay

I can fix basics in a car and use enough power tools to temp fix most things. Wasn't allowed to leave home if I couldn't. Admittedly DH now does most of hose bits but that's the bits he prefers over the bits I do (which I prefer). However, I could do the basics on my own.

There are also women working in all those trades. I know several of them. So it's more of a case of paying a person to do things I can't, don't have time or don't want to do, than paying a man to do them. If the most qualified and reasonably priced is a man, I'll pay them. If it's a woman, I'll pay them.

Of course those job can be done by women. There are far more men them women doing them, both as a job and as DIY, but that does not mean women arent able to do them. Some of them might be a bit more difficult because they ofter are not as strong.
Also, dont forget appliances etc. are basically invented and made by men. We are living in a mens world. I have wondered what the world would look like if it was made and run by women.

I simply couldn't be with someone who wanted to support Andrew Tate in any way, shape or form.

I would go as far as to suggest that AT doesn't understand solipsism, but that he is himself as he understands it - ie he is what he thinks it means - thinks that the world only exists as per his interpretation of it.

He doesn't understand that women will usually think and feel differently from him and that where that is the case, such differing thoughts and feelings are going to be valid for example.

What I have said has come from neuroscience, actually.

What do you think is incorrect exactly?!

I think it is to do with fractured "theory of mind" development. At some point in infancy children should learn theory of mind which is to do with the fact that our own reality is different from everyone else's, so we can know how we think and feel while acknowledging that others will think and feel differently and not be "wrong". I think it should happen at around 3? But because of other aspects of our culture, to do with children not being nurtured as they should be to allow theory of mind to develop, or develop properly, or something, it often doesn't happen. Leading to such people being solipsistic. Or intolerant, as a less extreme version. Or narcissistic even. Nothing to do with being female anyway.

I think you need to learn more about neurobiology.

Hmm. I agree that more men have started wars than women. But, women have very rarely been in power. Thatcher, Meir etc had few compunctions about starting wars.

Just go and pack either your or his bags.
I wouldnt want to have any more conversations with such an idiot.

bloody hell we are worried about young teenagers getting sucked into the AT bullshit not men. If your partner is that easily led time and has changed his behaviour to you it is time to leave. He can then spend all of his time watching AT on TikTok

I’d be gone after that wouldn’t want kids to hear that kind of shit.

I would go so far as to suggest most humans are solipsistic tbh.

Hardly unique to women.

Why is everyone making it about individuals and not people.
It's not about whether one woman can cope, it's can ALL women cope without men?
They can't!

But women are needed too!

I don't care if somebody had a single mother who did everything-good for her, but it's not the point.

I'm no fan of Andrew Tate's but he and his ilk are in part a justified reaction to the idea that women don't need men.

Not one man but men as a whole.

Mostly all the dangerous jobs: firefighting, armed forces etc are male dominated that's just a fact and to say men aren't needed annoys me.

Stupid crap like rather being in a words with a bear than a man you don't know. Tate and his ilk are just a backlash against such nonsense.

My word I'm glad he isn't my husband.

If we can't be independent then wow was my hard working single mum doing it wrong for years and years!

See I'd take that as a challenge. Think I'll crumble without you? Off you trot then sweetcheeks, check in on me in a few years time and e will see how much I've 'crumbled' shall we? Toodalo motherfucka!

I'd be putting him back in the sea OP, he's thick.

I wouldn’t be able to take my husband seriously if he went down one of those online rabbit holes. I think it just translates so badly to real life.

hope he grows up soon op.