To loathe Kyle Walker?

I completely agree as a society we should judge these men poorly and there should be no brand benefits to associating with them.

But that requires society to change - it isn't the case for any individual employer to make that decision on behalf of society. Brands won't hire Walker if there is no benefit to them.

We should stop thinking that people who are rich should be role models.
Very few (possibly no) people who become very rich do so while being nice, upstanding, moral characters.
Whether in business or sport, success at that level of wealth requires you to be selfish, to take advantage of others (in a business deal or in a match or against your own colleagues/team mates), reduce costs, avoid tax, fire people, .

Being very rich would ideally be treated with suspicion rather than with the assumption that they are to be a moral role model.

I didn't say a word about Annie or Lauren. Think you have the wrong poster!

What the fuck does she want a nanny for?? It’s not like she has a job… and now that she’s getting nearly £100k a year, a free £1.35m house (and a £75k lump sum to buy furniture), a free car every four years and all nursery and school fees paid, it’s safe to say she doesn’t need one.

She also wanted, in lump sums-

£316,133 to pay off her debts
£9k for gynaecology treatment
£13k for “security and moving costs”

This was all on the basis of her having just the one child by the way… now she’s got another one she’s going back for more.

It’s just greed.

I mean to some extent what you say makes sense, but there’s a somewhat circular argument in there, isn’t there? We as a society reward these men who behave appallingly towards women (even men like Boris Johnson who is also odious and sexually incontinent). It SHOULD tarnish brands to be associated with these twats but it doesn’t because we give them a free pass (for reasons unknown to me) because they’re good at football or whatever so they become role models, regardless of whether they’re up to the job or not. No one is entitled to represent their country and earn millions, are they? It would be great if we all just raised our standards a bit and made it absolutely unacceptable for them to behave like this.

@xxSideshowAuntSallyxx And to think she's going to be on a show about wags. Not sure how or why she's on there, she isn't a wag and will never be a wag.

I've read that it's Goodman who is making the show about wags and girlfriends. She, in conjunction with her manager, has set up the production company.

If he was convicted of criminal offence (eg, indecent exposure if it could be proved the spa rumours were true), then England would not select him.

But apart from criminal convictions, I don't think your employer should decide whether to employ or promote you based on your private life. If everyone is a consenting adult, then it's not relevant to your employer if you choose to have sex with one, two, three or multiple people at the same time.

If you show up for work on time and do a good job, then anything else is not your employer's business.

England are selecting him to play football, not to be a role model. They also don't decide if he promoted products etc - those are commercial decisions made by other companies choosong to employ him. If they think he tarnishes their perfume/vitamin/clothes brand, they won't employ him.

If someone sees him as a role model, that is on them. Not everyone in the public eye has a moral obligation to behave in a certain way, be married, faithful, demure etc, just because of the risk someone might admire them.

He is a terrible man. But I wouldn't want my employer to make decisions about me based on my private life, so it would be hypocritical to expect the same for him

I’m sure I’ve seen the same. Annie says it’s cool but Lauren wants to be there during contact and doesn’t trust Annie to look after her children.

I think I read previously that Annie was happy to allow contact and have the children at their family home, but Lauryn refused and wants Kyle to see them on his own/at Lauryn’s house.

If they went to court - no court would order that Lauren had to be involved in contact - Kyle walker and annie could just say - drop them off every other week X o clock and they would get that access.

I think Annie is making a mistake refusing to let him see them. It just leads to all the cringy behaviour like lauren parading them around - in the end he is dad to those kids - painful as it is annie shld suck that up.

I think she knows that if she kicked him out permanently - and he was seeing his boys he would be shagging lauren again fairly quickly

@OhmygodDont totally agree its so sad to see the kids dragged about when the dad is publically saying he doesn't want them around - they are going to grow up and realise what was happening - and that is some serious years of therapy !

I feel very sorry for all his kids - including Laurens - she will regret parading them around in the limelight like this as they will grow up knowing that their dad tried to avoid them and that they were dragged about in england shirts just for the publicity.

I do think annie sadly is in the wrong to say he shouldn't see his own kids. Hard as it is for her - he should have a relationship with them. She should just step in and ensure lauren doesn't get to share that contact.

I feel sorry for his wife as he is probably a controlling lying arsehole and she is sadly for her in love with him. how he treated her is beyond humilating but they have 4 kids together and she is stuck in a dynamic with him especially with a newborn.

She may fear that he woudl go to Lauren if she kicked him out permanently and that would be paraded in front of her forever.

obviously she should end it though! But hard to do when it is all you have known and you have such young children together.

Reading about it I thought - if Annie really wanted to get one over on Lauren - her and Kyle, instead of ignoring the kids - should go for 50 / 50 custody and just say - okay, you want him in your life then hand the kids over.

Fucking hell that's grim

And to think she's going to be on a show about wags. Not sure how or why she's on there, she isn't a wag and will never be a wag, she is just some slapper who slept with a footballer (or two or three, Kyle was the thick vile idiot to get her pregnant).

That's not really a different conclusion? I said she's a piece of work.

But he's equally awful and the judge pandered to him.

YANBU. A vile man.

That’s they the kids get called klarna and clearpay on that other site. Purely had for financial reasons. It’s all about how much she can get. Wanted to be a top wag.

Imagine the kids dad not being interested but you keep forcing your child to watch them on tv and according to the press will be taking them to the matches. Like there’s your daddy who cnba oh and theirs his other children who he cares about. That’s poor parenting.

His still a shit and a wanker and a gross ass man. But Lauren got most of what she wanted a payday, not a wag but she keeps trying that’s why she’s always blaming Annie. The innocent party.

I read the judgement and came to a different conclusion - I feel for her grandparents who gave her a huge loan which she expected the father to repay! What a way to treat your elderly grandparents!
She came across as totally greedy - 69K for a Mercedes? Paying her Mum thousands for childcare while she brought in a few hundred a month from 'influencing'. Totally unreasonable, Fendi changing bag? Louis Vuitton hand luggage?
I think she saw him as the Golden Goose.

Because it’s not my job to retrain and go and work for the CPS. They already have people who do that, and I already have a job.

Calm down hun. It isn’t toxic or weird to suggest that badly behaved men who are appalling fathers shouldn’t be celebrated and paid millions. It’s not a race to the bottom. Raise your standards.

@BarcardiWithGadaffia
You might not have heard anything about her but I know her from Real Housewives of Cheshire years ago as Im sure lots of other people do, she voluntarily joined a reality programme

As far as I remember it was a guest appearance in one episode. The very short time she was on screen she looked shocked at what the other members of the cast were saying and she wasn't in it again.

The Walker's hired a top PR team when Goodman kept releasing stories in the press that had misinformation in them. They have employed Rachel Monk, who also worked for Coleen Rooney and was a witness in the Vardy trial. Goodman has partnered with someone who was allegedly sacked from the Sun to be her PR advisor. For those of you who don't know, Lauren (that's how her name is actually spelled) Goodman has been goading Annie on social media for years. She seems to blame Annie for Kyle not choosing to set up home with her. She also allegedly rang Annie on Boxing Day to inform her that Kyle was the father of her, unnamed in public, second child. The Walkers offered to let Kairo (Goodman's son) visit them and meet his half brothers, but Goodman refused because she wanted to be included. The whole situation is a mess, caused by Kyle. I too think he is an awful, awful man. I also think that Annie stays with him because that way she has some sort of control as to who he lets in the lives of their sons. As I said before, I feel very, very sorry for Annie. Kyle has very recently set up a football academy in Sheffield, perhaps to try and repair his reputation. I agree that his vile behaviour is a very bad example to set to football supporters and I think he should have not continued to be Captain of Man City and definitely not the vice captain of England for the Euros.

You might not have heard anything about her but I know her from Real Housewives of Cheshire years ago as Im sure lots of other people do, she voluntarily joined a reality programme

I'm more concerned about his footballing skills

Couldn't care less about gossip

She is obviously a piece of work, but the way the judge was praising the father throughout was disgusting. He openly refuses to have anything to do with his son, but he gave calm and straightforward answers in his testimony so deserves credit for that?? <slow clap> No mention of his disgusting behaviour in his personal life at all.

The fact that the father said he'd pay for nursery but not a (£36k/year, very reasonable) nanny screams controlling. If you aren't involved, you shouldn't get to dictate how the childcare fund is spent. But the judge sided with him. I actually felt a bit sorry for her by the end!

he did see his kids, on the quiet as Annie said he wasn’t to be involved apart from financially. But now he’s not again. Innocent kids caught up in some illicit affair. I wouldn’t have the conscience to tell a father he was to have no contact. He clearly does want contact or he wouldn’t have started seeing the older one (and then got Lauren pregnant)

and thank you @Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot for another exhibit of why Mumsnet is a really toxic, weird place at times.

I come on here and make a possibly polarising, very mildly controversial point about Walker’s private life not being a factor for selection.

You come back with a really weird accusation that I’m, and I quote, “creaming at the gash” because I happen to recognise he is a decent footballer.

I guess as per many on here, you’re hoping to verbally wound me to discredit what I’m saying.

If you’re that excitable about these alleged spa happenstances, why not retrain in law and go and work for the CPS to then decide which cases get brought to trial?