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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2024 10:29

Yes I know there is a topic for this but there's next to no traffic and people who have already cracked this and moved on probably aren't looking at it.

My DS turned three a couple of months ago. We have tried potty training several times with no luck so far.

He is starting school in September and HAS to be trained by then. There is no other option. I have taken tomorrow and Tuesday off work so we are on day 2 of a four day window dedicated to cracking this and it's getting worse, not better. I don't have any other holiday other than the last two weeks of August which we have booked off to go on an actual holiday and will be completely ruined if we have to spend it hanging around the holiday accommodation doing potty training.

I'm at my wits' end.

He doesn't want to sit on the potty.

He withholds for hours on end.

He gets increasingly angry and fed up and wants to go outside and play. Eventually I give in and we go outside and it's only a matter of time before he pees or poos in his pants.

Please help.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2024 09:46

PrincessTeaSet · 17/06/2024 09:25

Also give him salty crisps to encourage drinking. It's a one off and might brighten the day especially as it sounds like you're a fairly strict household.

Also would not try and stay home for 4 days with a 3 year old and no screens. That sounds like misery for everyone. Think most who are suggesting this probably let their kids watch TV all day.

If he starts looking uncomfortable and is bribable with a screen I would say that's the time to use it. If he's hopping about with legs crossed and will sit on the toilet for an episode of paw patrol I would do that (but wait till he clearly needs to go - don't do it every 20 minutes)

Salty crisps is a brilliant idea. Unfortunately we will have to go out to get some but he loves crisps. I don't know why I didn't think of that before. The last two birthdays in a row he has rejected the homemade birthday cake I have lovingly made for him in favour of the crisp bowl.

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PrincessTeaSet · 17/06/2024 09:41

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2024 09:30

10:30 and he's finally squeezed out a tiny little pee. In the toilet. Hurrah!

He's now eating a mid morning snack as a reward and drinking orange juice.

Hooray! 😊

PrincessTeaSet · 17/06/2024 09:38

Don't think that your aim is to prevent accidents. Accidents are to be expected and are part of the learning curve. Don't see it as a failure if he has an accident - he will learn something from it.

Despite what some books and some (probably older and selectively forgetful) parents on here tell you, very few children are reliably toilet trained within a few days, although they have hopefully got the idea in that time.

It usually takes a number of weeks or even months until a child is really confident at it. (Quicker for older kids mostly) At some point you stop taking spare clothes everywhere and on that day your child will wet themselves for the first time in 6 months.

It's all part of the fun.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2024 08:58

OK.

So it's nearly 10am.

His nappy has been off for more than two hours.

He hasn't peed yet.

I've offered him juice and squash and he didn't drink it.

I've repeatedly asked him to sit on the potty.

Most of the time he's just refused, sometimes I've succeeded in bribing him to sit on it but he hasn't done anything.

Now what?

Because physically restraining him and forcing him to sit on the potty seems quite abusive.

What would your next move be?

OP, I feel like you think that potty training means immediately peeing and pooping in the potty every time. If he hasn’t been for two hours he has a great chance of training. You need to try to learn his rhythms and not over prompt. Keep going and don’t give up on him as that send the message that you don’t think he can do it.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2024 09:34

And a minuscule poo about three minutes later.

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catsandkittensandcats · 17/06/2024 09:31

Amazing Smile

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2024 09:30

10:30 and he's finally squeezed out a tiny little pee. In the toilet. Hurrah!

He's now eating a mid morning snack as a reward and drinking orange juice.

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PrincessTeaSet · 17/06/2024 09:25

Also give him salty crisps to encourage drinking. It's a one off and might brighten the day especially as it sounds like you're a fairly strict household.

Also would not try and stay home for 4 days with a 3 year old and no screens. That sounds like misery for everyone. Think most who are suggesting this probably let their kids watch TV all day.

If he starts looking uncomfortable and is bribable with a screen I would say that's the time to use it. If he's hopping about with legs crossed and will sit on the toilet for an episode of paw patrol I would do that (but wait till he clearly needs to go - don't do it every 20 minutes)

catsandkittensandcats · 17/06/2024 09:23

My DS was similarly resistant to the potty. At two and a half he saw a friend using hers and wanted to try so we encouraged this but several weeks later the potty kept being used as a hat (🤢) kicked around the lounge and messed about with. I had another baby and was recovering from a section so it wasn’t a good time generally.

I had another go the month before he turned 3. He would sit on the potty and slowly got the hang of ‘holding’ his wee. He can and does hold for a long time so as long as you regularly take him to the toilet wee accidents are avoided but what he won’t do is tell you when he needs to go to the toilet and he doesn’t go independently. So if you forget to take him he wets himself eventually. And he almost always soils himself because he won’t say he needs a poo.

I have done a lot of reading around the subject and problems are fairly common. Largely the only thing that works is time which I realise is no help to op but I have similar concerns about ds starting school.

PrincessTeaSet · 17/06/2024 09:21

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2024 08:58

OK.

So it's nearly 10am.

His nappy has been off for more than two hours.

He hasn't peed yet.

I've offered him juice and squash and he didn't drink it.

I've repeatedly asked him to sit on the potty.

Most of the time he's just refused, sometimes I've succeeded in bribing him to sit on it but he hasn't done anything.

Now what?

Because physically restraining him and forcing him to sit on the potty seems quite abusive.

What would your next move be?

There's no point getting him to sit on the potty more than every 2 hours. Especially if he hasn't drunk anything. (Try ice lollies or coke?) It is just going to annoy him and he won't need to go. You need to maintain the appearance that you don't really care what he does and it's up to him but if he does something in the potty or toilet he will get X treat. Then carry on with your day. No further mention of anything toilet related until it happens.

The advice of sitting on the potty at 20 minute intervals is aimed at younger children. It's not the right approach for a 3 year old who has much more control and a bigger bladder.

Marblessolveeverything · 17/06/2024 09:14

I would ask every 20 minutes, talk about you going to the toilet. Drink something yourself and ask him, sometimes actions speak louder than words!

Deep breaths and ideally stay in the home.

WhatNoRaisins · 17/06/2024 09:09

At this point OP I'd pretend to ignore the potty issue whilst keeping an eye on him and being prepared to clean up.

InTheRainOnATrain · 17/06/2024 09:02

We’re a bilingual family too, my nieces and nephews are trilingual and you’re not going to kill ‘one parent one language’ by saying just the keys words like wee, poo and toilet in English then repeating them back in the local language and it may help his understanding. With DD much as it pained me to do so, I had to use all the American phrases they used at daycare so pee, poop, diaper, fawcet for hand washing, saying potty in an exaggerated American accent. DH used to say it in his language then repeat in (American) English. There was also something in one of the potty training books I read about aligning language with nursery. I don’t think it was Oh Crap, it may have been Gina Ford. It really helped though so I wouldn’t dismiss the suggestion.

chimneystack · 17/06/2024 08:58

What a lucky little boy to have such a thoughtful mummy.

Of course you’re right about the language issue OP. Some people are just ignorant.

My DS turned 3 and refused to potty train. I remember holding him on the loo out of sheer frustration once. It didn’t work. But a few months later, it just clicked and he was trained in a week with barely any accidents.

So I don’t have any specific advice for you, but lots of sympathy.

Ignore all the competitive parents who think that because their method worked with their child, they are somehow superior. As for this nonsense about “missing the window” - that’s rubbish (and pointless anyway). Good luck OP.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2024 08:58

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OK.

So it's nearly 10am.

His nappy has been off for more than two hours.

He hasn't peed yet.

I've offered him juice and squash and he didn't drink it.

I've repeatedly asked him to sit on the potty.

Most of the time he's just refused, sometimes I've succeeded in bribing him to sit on it but he hasn't done anything.

Now what?

Because physically restraining him and forcing him to sit on the potty seems quite abusive.

What would your next move be?

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No, you don't get it.

I work full time. I am the only person who speaks English to him on a regular basis. His father and local family and caregivers all speak to him in his main language.

All the advice from people who actually know a thing or two about the subject is that I should never speak to him in anything other than English. If I speak to him in his other language he will realise that there is no need for him to speak English and he will choose to only speak his other language because it's much easier for him. The studies are very clear. You have to be absolutely consistent all the time.

He will be potty trained eventually. He has no learning difficulties and he is clearly not going to be nine years old and still in nappies. But if I start speaking to him in his other language at this critical stage in his language development just because I'm desperate to do anything which might facilitate the potty training, it will undermine all the hard work I am doing to make sure he speaks both languages.

In any case, that's not the point of this thread. He understands what I am saying in English anyway. He just doesn't want to pee on the potty.

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OperationPushkin · 17/06/2024 08:45

You've received some good advice (as well as some shockingly judgmental and smug responses). Have you spoken to any parents of your DS' friends, since the rest of the children in his nursery are already toilet trained? Maybe there are approaches that are specific to the country/context you are living in. Even particular words and phrases that all the children are familiar with. I realise that may mean using the majority language which you understandably want to avoid, but possibly inserting a word or phrase into your conversations with DS could help you move forward? Just a thought.

Children tend to be toilet trained later these days than they were in the past. When my DH was growing up, all children were trained very early according to MIL. But it was understandable, since no one in their country had a washing machine at home (all laundry was done by hand) and disposable nappies didn't exist there in those years. No one wanted to spend ages washing nappies so there was a huge incentive to get children trained as early as possible. I don't think there's anything at all wrong with waiting until later, though sometimes an older child can be more resistant than a younger one. But that isn't always the case, so your approach of trying to wait until your DS showed signs of readiness seems perfectly fine to me. ETA: I know you can't wait any longer, I'm just saying that there was nothing wrong with waiting until now IMO.

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MillsAndBalloons · 17/06/2024 08:37

Don't wait any longer, it's OK for people to keep saying wait until they're ready but for some children, the older they get, the longer they can hold the toilet and it's a nightmare trying to train them at this point! My second was like this.

My first wouldn't use the potty so I tried straight to the toilet and she clicked immediately. My second took much longer, she could hold for full days, it was a nightmare! We used lots of bribery in the end.

I would try using the proper toilet first, you never know, he might take to that more.

carewash · 17/06/2024 08:19

@MissScarletInTheBallroom I can REALLY emphasise with your situation.

And that poster who told you that you fucked up, is just rude and trying to get a rise out of you.

I had the same situation as you before my DD turned three. I also posted here and told other mums how she was behaving - withholding, completely refusing to sit on the potty or toilet.

Not many people actually had much advice or experience, aside from saying that she's 'not ready'.

After quite a few failed attempts, I decided to just stick to it. I didn't want her to be 3 and a half and doing the same stuff anyway. But my decision nearly went the other way, because of people saying to just wait.

That's all you did. You didn't fuck up. You just listened to the camp that says ' not ready '.

WhatNoRaisins · 17/06/2024 08:09

I think you've sometimes got to do a less efficient but more realistic version of Oh Crap depending on your circumstances. Take him out with a travel potty and loose trousers if you need to. If he's got to be back at nursery in however many days keep up with the no nappies at home and then take the nappy straight off after pick up.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/06/2024 08:08

catsandkittensandcats · 16/06/2024 21:04

@Coldsore MN can be extremely unpleasant towards parents of children who are for whatever reason struggling with toileting issues so I’m not surprised the OP has been ‘combative.’ I don’t personally see it though.

Whenever I’ve looked for support on here Oh Crap is just pushed relentlessly as is the idea that it’s been left too late, the U.K. are full of dreadful lazy parents and so on.

With potty training and with lots of other things, parents tend to insist a thing is right or wrong based on their own experience of their one or two children. I’ve been guilty of this - we did gentle sleep training with DS and it worked after one night and I’ve definitely probably assumed it would with all children! But I deeply regret reading the Oh Crap book. The tone is awful: so judgemental and its claims are not true <eyes DS> we’re six months in and are still having regular accidents and soiling in particular. I don’t think we’ve done anything wrong or DS is behind or anything, it’s just for whatever reason this is tricky.

Yet so often threads where parents are struggling invite attacks - often claiming the parent wants teachers to clean the child up, lots of complaints about bygone days not having this issue. It’s worth remembering that smacking, shouting and humiliation were used far more frequently than now and I certainly remember having an accident at nursery and being smacked for it (I am 44.) I don’t want to go back to those times and I don’t think anybody does. Some children will get this quickly and some slowly. What they all need is patience and positivity and encouragement. I am human and I’ve been frustrated with DS on occasion which I deeply regret. It just is: they will all get there eventually. And hopefully before school.

Thanks for this.

Yes I think this thread is a great example of what you are saying.

I've got some posters telling me I need to wait until he is ready regardless of the fact that I've explained that he is starting school in less than three months and we no longer have time to wait for him to be ready. And I've got other posters telling me, in really quite a nasty way, that I've "fucked up" by leaving it "too late" and implying that my son is a horrible spoiled brat because he reacts badly to being cooped up inside all day.

Thankfully I'm pretty thick skinned and able to filter out the crap and just focus on the advice which is actually well meaning and might be of some use.

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Thanks for the support.

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theGooHasGone · 17/06/2024 03:51

Tbh I think a large part of the issue is your attitude. You are massively combative and basically have many different points you aren’t willing or able to compromise on.

Yes, absolutely this. It was the "this must be done in a week" juxtaposed with "I don't want potty training to mess with his bilingualism" that made me raise a large eyebrow. He's got an entire lifetime to learn a second language, come on now, get your priorities straight.

Tell me you don't understand the challenges of raising a bilingual child as the minority language parent without telling me...etc.

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