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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2024 10:29

Yes I know there is a topic for this but there's next to no traffic and people who have already cracked this and moved on probably aren't looking at it.

My DS turned three a couple of months ago. We have tried potty training several times with no luck so far.

He is starting school in September and HAS to be trained by then. There is no other option. I have taken tomorrow and Tuesday off work so we are on day 2 of a four day window dedicated to cracking this and it's getting worse, not better. I don't have any other holiday other than the last two weeks of August which we have booked off to go on an actual holiday and will be completely ruined if we have to spend it hanging around the holiday accommodation doing potty training.

I'm at my wits' end.

He doesn't want to sit on the potty.

He withholds for hours on end.

He gets increasingly angry and fed up and wants to go outside and play. Eventually I give in and we go outside and it's only a matter of time before he pees or poos in his pants.

Please help.

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GooseClues · 18/06/2024 12:40

At 3 years old he doesn’t need to pee every 2h and poop several times a day. He’s been doing it until now because he’s in nappies and essentially “on the loo” 24/7. Holding it a bit is fine. You want him to actually learn this skill too cause you will be out and about and the public loo might have a queue.
With my daughter, when she had pants on it wasn’t so much that she couldn’t feel she needed to go but more that she forgot she didn’t have a diaper on. They need to be bare bum for a few days so it kicks in that this is for real now.

I potty trained mine using the hated Oh Crap in a Parisian flat. We had play dough, kinetic sand, an obstacle course made out of random (washable) objects and a foam ball that could be kicked around without breaking too many things.
I guess you’re in France too. There will be other badly potty trained kids in his class having accidents at the start of the year so don’t worry too much about social consequences. But there’s not really staff to clean them up, especially if there are several like him. He’ll end up sitting in his soiled clothes for ages and get bum rashes, so you’re definitely doing the right thing training him now.

GooseClues · 18/06/2024 12:28

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2024 12:13

It's not normal for him not to pee until lunchtime.

Pretty sure the reason he's withholding is because he fucking hates the "stay at home naked from the waist down for as long as it takes" approach.

I think we'll try shorts.

Noooooo! Don’t do this! You’re making progress, why shoot yourselves in the leg now?!!!

InTheRainOnATrain · 18/06/2024 12:20

WhatNoRaisins · 18/06/2024 12:15

It's not unusual for a child to start going less frequently when potty training. Most days my 3 year old will do a wake up wee and then not go until lunchtime.

Absolutely this. My 3YO is dry at night so there’s always a big pee first thing in the morning, then we don’t usually get another one until 11am-ish.

DontYouLetItGo · 18/06/2024 12:18

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WhatNoRaisins · 18/06/2024 12:15

It's not unusual for a child to start going less frequently when potty training. Most days my 3 year old will do a wake up wee and then not go until lunchtime.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2024 12:13

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It's not normal for him not to pee until lunchtime.

Pretty sure the reason he's withholding is because he fucking hates the "stay at home naked from the waist down for as long as it takes" approach.

I think we'll try shorts.

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cyrr · 18/06/2024 12:00

Welll done OP. Keep going.

As for others, why don't you read stuff properly before going after the OP?

She clearly said, they've tried a few times. She explained that one of those times, he did start to get it, but they put it on hold to go to their in laws house.

She then also explained that other times, they really did follow Oh crap properly.

It's really not that hard. Everyone coming for OP focused on the one time they went out to the PIL house. It's so frustrating to read.

OP, give it more time. Stay strong and try to stay in, for as long as possible. He'll get it !

I trained my DD this way, during winter and whilst I also had a baby. Lots of screen time though, it helps in these situations.

InTheRainOnATrain · 18/06/2024 11:44

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2024 11:29

Oh halle-fucking-lujah, he finally broke the seal.

12:30 and he's had his first pee of the day. Great big one in the potty.

Hooray!!

WhatNoRaisins · 18/06/2024 11:43

I'd be inclined to move on to the loose trousers stage. I don't think that's unusual especially with boys.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2024 11:36

I think he doesn't like having a bare bum and he withholds when he doesn't have pants or shorts on.

But when he has pants or shorts on he doesn't seem to be aware when he's about to poo or pee.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2024 11:29

Oh halle-fucking-lujah, he finally broke the seal.

12:30 and he's had his first pee of the day. Great big one in the potty.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2024 11:20

Marblessolveeverything · 18/06/2024 10:41

Keep going it typically takes 10-14 days of consistency. Keep inside, keep tension low and roll with it. That is what is required there are no short cuts.

To be fair you said you went out in day 2 before. Most of us have found you need to stay in stay the course. You need to wipe previous experience from your mind.

Clean slate lots of positive encouragement and no fuss when accidents happen and they will happen. You didn't just get in a car and drive or pick up a book and suddenly read. It took practice, mistakes happened and patience is mandatory.

The time we went out on day 2 was the third attempt. The second attempt we genuinely stayed in for a long time and it still didn't work.

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SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 18/06/2024 10:49

I'd agree keep at it and try and keep calm despite the pressure you're clearly feeling.

However if you can't get the time off then you will have to tackle the nursery again- we had spectacularly unhelpful preschool and nursery placements so I understand how frustrating it can be.

FlyingHorses · 18/06/2024 10:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2024 10:36

I did follow it to the letter.

We stayed in for several days and all that happened was we all ended up climbing the walls.

How many times do I need to explain to you people that I tried your beloved Oh Crap method before and it did not work for my child?

But to give you the benefit of the doubt, we're trying again.

Today we have stayed in all morning. Naked from the waist down. He's drunk plenty of fluid. We've played. We've read books. We've watched videos. He's sat on the toilet. He's sat on the potty. We've watched Poo Goes to Poo Land. We've watched George Pig is potty training. We've watched Fireman Sam. We've ignored the whole thing and just played games. It's 11:30 am and he has not done a single pee or poo.

Now what?

Just keep gently asking if he needs a wee or a poo (I said in my previous post that I asked mine every 10mins, literally) and he had to sit on the potty every 30mins whilst I read a book.
If he doesn’t go that’s absolutely fine, thank him for trying and move on to a new activity. If he has an accident, also absolutely fine. It’s a learning process and they feel very vulnerable at this time. Stay calm and relentlessly positive about the whole thing and eventually a thimbleful of wee might reach the potty, cue celebration and praise! He needs to see that you aren’t tense or stressed about it, then he can relax about it too.

Marblessolveeverything · 18/06/2024 10:41

Keep going it typically takes 10-14 days of consistency. Keep inside, keep tension low and roll with it. That is what is required there are no short cuts.

To be fair you said you went out in day 2 before. Most of us have found you need to stay in stay the course. You need to wipe previous experience from your mind.

Clean slate lots of positive encouragement and no fuss when accidents happen and they will happen. You didn't just get in a car and drive or pick up a book and suddenly read. It took practice, mistakes happened and patience is mandatory.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2024 10:36

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I did follow it to the letter.

We stayed in for several days and all that happened was we all ended up climbing the walls.

How many times do I need to explain to you people that I tried your beloved Oh Crap method before and it did not work for my child?

But to give you the benefit of the doubt, we're trying again.

Today we have stayed in all morning. Naked from the waist down. He's drunk plenty of fluid. We've played. We've read books. We've watched videos. He's sat on the toilet. He's sat on the potty. We've watched Poo Goes to Poo Land. We've watched George Pig is potty training. We've watched Fireman Sam. We've ignored the whole thing and just played games. It's 11:30 am and he has not done a single pee or poo.

Now what?

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Hateliars34 · 18/06/2024 09:14

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Agree with you. I was understanding to OP, having had a child that had severe constipation and was difficult to potty train and still regularly wets the bed at age 5. But from recent updates it's clear OP hasn't given this a proper go and expects it to happen magically overnight!

Yes, it's gross to clean up poo but it's what we sign up for having kids. Mine at 5 leaks poo every few months when she has an extreme constipation episode, and I'd never react by swearing about it in frustration. It's gross but not that big a deal, and probably a lot worse and embarrassing for the child it happens to!

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Bluedabadeeba · 18/06/2024 00:05

Weird, but has he got any hareem trousers? Mine was trained quite quickly, but for a few months, every time we put him in pants (knickers), he peed in them. I think because the pressure felt more nappy-like.

He was in hareem trousers for about 2 months while going comando, and every week I'd try pants for a day, where he'd wet himself again.

Then we did a long haul flight, so put him in nappies the whole time and when we arrived, he spent 3 days peeing on the floor. It wasn't until we got back from the trip - so nearly 4 months later, that we put him in underwater (his preschool was confused- they asked if it was a 'cultual thing' that he wasn't wearing underwear as we live in a different continent).

You can buy baby hareem pants on amazon, I think.

He hasn't, he usually wears joggers or shorts. I'll have a look, thank you.

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Bluedabadeeba · 18/06/2024 00:05

Weird, but has he got any hareem trousers? Mine was trained quite quickly, but for a few months, every time we put him in pants (knickers), he peed in them. I think because the pressure felt more nappy-like.

He was in hareem trousers for about 2 months while going comando, and every week I'd try pants for a day, where he'd wet himself again.

Then we did a long haul flight, so put him in nappies the whole time and when we arrived, he spent 3 days peeing on the floor. It wasn't until we got back from the trip - so nearly 4 months later, that we put him in underwater (his preschool was confused- they asked if it was a 'cultual thing' that he wasn't wearing underwear as we live in a different continent).

You can buy baby hareem pants on amazon, I think.

Coldsore · 17/06/2024 20:11

Muthaofcats · 17/06/2024 11:05

i would suggest the Op is the moth banging against the window. Her approach isn’t working for her or her kid and yet it’s all the other peoples fault for being ‘rude’.

I suggest this child is going to be starting school in nappies given the absolute reluctance to reflect or take on board any guidance from people for whom it worked.

The OP says she followed Oh Crap but clearly never actually has. Her son’s stubbornness and refusal to engage with this sounds exactly like what his mummy is exhibiting here ! Our children are mirrors to us.

It says everything that it’s easier to dismiss those for whom it worked as smug and unhelpful in favour of reinforcement for an approach that’s clearly not working for you. No wonder so many kids start school in nappies. I never understood this until reading this thread.

Exactly all of this. It’s not really trying the method if your husband convinced you to leave the house on day 2.

Muthaofcats · 17/06/2024 20:00

carewash · 17/06/2024 19:16

@Muthaofcats you're the one who should be embarrassed about your awful attitude towards a struggling mother.

What exactly is it that I said that you’ve taken against so strongly ?

Foldinthecheese · 17/06/2024 20:00

Potty training is the worst. I have three children and have been parenting for eight years and it is the thing I have hated most. A couple of minor ideas, just in case they haven’t been mentioned already.
Poo Goes Home to Pooland really did help my boys. They loved the idea of sending the poo home. I know you don’t do screens, but it is the most low-budget thing you’ve ever seen, and sometimes needs must.
Apparently blowing helps to release the bladder, so if he’s had a lot to drink, it’s been a while and you think he’s holding it, try getting him to blow bubbles while sitting on the toilet. Then you can praise like crazy. Plus, bubbles are fun, so might help to get him on the toilet in the first place.
Best of luck. I’m sure the teenage years will be hard, but I’m forever grateful that I’ll never have to potty train again.