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so am I "lesser" by default, or "greater" cos I've done more than peer out of a window?

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Maybethisyearornext · 16/06/2024 09:39

'When lesser mortals would have stayed at home, Catherine proved that the show goes on' | Writes @AllisonPearson in the telegraph

I find this indescribably offensive

I am a "lesser" cancer patient because I didn't attend the trooping of the colour? Ok, but I attended as many days of work as I could, and as many hospital appointments as was required, and that mean a mile walk to the station each time. And in the months I could not return to school premises I undertook small amounts of voluntary work in order to keep in touch with the world and work on my stamina

And I coped without any income at all in the 5 months it took the DWP to process my ESA claim - did this "greater" cancer patient do this?

I don't blame Princess Catherine. She is just muddling through the best she can like all of us, trying to cope with treatment, keep up her spirits, provide happy times for her family, be a useful citizen, and hope for the future

But how ignorant do you have to be to write that other cancer patients are "lesser mortals" - and how could an editor let that pass? Were they asleep at their desk?

Please complain or suggest any other way you can to react to this, and get it taken down, and get an apology - this has caused distress among many families this morning. I am not on twitter myself, can people who are on twitter say something please?

https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1802114337319932072

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https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1802114337319932072

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theowlwhisperer · 16/06/2024 11:19

We don't know what Kate actually thinks of this kind of description from a ridiculous sycophant.

Comments like this might go towards the belief of the royal family that they are superior - which is why they are royals in the first place, strong belief among some of them (listen to some interviews!)

or she might be quite embarrassed and realise they are so over-the-top they are not doing the royal family any favour. However hard she struggles or not, her environment is so uber-priviledged that there's no comparison with anyone else. They might not want to highlight the fact they have the top consultants of the country if not further on speed dial and being giving priority for everything. It doesn't go with the current PR "they are one of us".

So - this is not addressed to the OP - it's not really fair to describe this nonsense as a description made by Kate or her closest family.

PracticallyYesterday · 16/06/2024 11:11

5128gap · 16/06/2024 11:00

That's the whole premis of monarchy though isn't it? Why else would you have to curtsey to her if you met her, but she wouldn't to you? It's a ridiculous offensive and archaic concept but that's exactly what it is. If we accept royalty we accept we are lesser. I'm sorry this has struck a chord with you today, but honestly it's nothing new. It's what monarchy is.

Worth noting that you don't have to bow/curtsey/call them YRH if you meet them - you can't be penalised for not doing these things. I certainly wouldn't extend them courtesies beyond what I would extend to any human being.

Bruciebogtrotter · 16/06/2024 11:08

I agree with you OP. I feel the same about the way cancer is talked about as being a battle to be won. You hear it all the time, people beating cancer because they never gave up fighting. Like the ones who died just didn’t fight hard enough.

Sunshineonmywindo · 16/06/2024 11:04

5128gap · 16/06/2024 11:00

That's the whole premis of monarchy though isn't it? Why else would you have to curtsey to her if you met her, but she wouldn't to you? It's a ridiculous offensive and archaic concept but that's exactly what it is. If we accept royalty we accept we are lesser. I'm sorry this has struck a chord with you today, but honestly it's nothing new. It's what monarchy is.

Yes, this exactly.

Sunshineonmywindo · 16/06/2024 11:04

Churchview · 16/06/2024 09:57

Just had a look at that twitter link.

Strapline - Fair Lady: Princess of Wale's selfless display just the tonic Britain needed.

No offence to Catherine who I wish only good things for, but what bilge is this that seeing one woman in public is the 'tonic Britain needed'?

Absolute nonsensical, arse kissing bollocks churned out as opium for the masses.

Absolutely vomit inducing.

I was neutral about the monarchy for most of my life but the past few years has me staunchly anti-monarchy, it brings out the worst in British people.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 16/06/2024 11:03

@5128gap that would be acceptable to on extent, at least in an academic/theoretical way.

But it wasn't all us lesser mortals, a specific group was identified and clearly named , people who suffer from the same illness. People with cancer.

Sahara123 · 16/06/2024 11:02

lollipoprainbow · 16/06/2024 10:22

The level of sycophantic comments in the media about her appearance yesterday is ridiculous.

I like her but her cancer experience is vastly different from mere mortals.

On one level I’m not sure I actually agree with this. She will have gone through the same gut wrenching panic, the same how do I tell my children moments. The same feeling horrendous after whatever treatments or surgeries we all have . She may well be in a posher hospital and have consultants on tap but she still has the same heartbreaking feelings.
What is different is that she has the eyes of the world on her , the first announcement she made sitting on that bench looking like she just wanted to hide away was something most of us will never have to do . And yesterday, knowing that probably millions of people were probably watching her every move .

5128gap · 16/06/2024 11:00

Maybethisyearornext · 16/06/2024 10:53

no we are not "lesser mortals" than monarchy - of course not

That's the whole premis of monarchy though isn't it? Why else would you have to curtsey to her if you met her, but she wouldn't to you? It's a ridiculous offensive and archaic concept but that's exactly what it is. If we accept royalty we accept we are lesser. I'm sorry this has struck a chord with you today, but honestly it's nothing new. It's what monarchy is.

KikiShaLeeBopDeBopBop · 16/06/2024 10:59

It's the telegraph, what do you expect?

Sunshineonmywindo · 16/06/2024 10:58

Maybethisyearornext · 16/06/2024 09:47

honestly, this has caused so much distress in families this morning, especially among the children of cancer patients

Sorry to hear this. This is absolutely awful wording. What was the journalist thinking. You’re not overthinking at all.

Tired of people trying to pretend the royals and other super wealthy people have the same battles as us when the truth is even in sickness some parts of their journey will be radically different and easier in some ways compared to another person battling the same illness.

CassandraWebb · 16/06/2024 10:57

Maybethisyearornext · 16/06/2024 10:38

no of course it doesn't - that is the whole point- many people will have had a far greater struggle that princess Catherine, and many will have done what they can, whether that is more or less than she has done is not up to them, it is up to the cancer - and no one is "lesser" than anyone else

Totally agree with you. And the same applies to other illnesses too.

People are so quick to think they can "know" and gauge how much someone is struggling or how "brave" they are.

So sorry you are having a tough time

Sahara123 · 16/06/2024 10:56

Electrickity · 16/06/2024 10:23

Not really any jokes about cancer to be honest.

What do you mean by this?

I mean that there isn’t really anything to joke about with cancer is there. You can try to laugh and joke and be cheery but actual cancer , no.
This was in response to someone further back saying “ lesser mortals” is meant to be a joke.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 16/06/2024 10:56

It also states "when lesser mortals WITH YOUR ILLNESS "so it does specifically refer to cancer patients. Not rich people, not people with a headache or feeling a but queasy or whatever other bullshit people would like to make up.

CassandraWebb · 16/06/2024 10:54

Maybethisyearornext · 16/06/2024 09:46

sorry, I have just been called a "lesser mortal" for staying at home (some of the time) when I have cancer. I have the right end of the right stick

Totally agree with you. It's really awful messaging.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 16/06/2024 10:53

@Saschka the article was in the telegraph

NinaPersson · 16/06/2024 10:53

Please ignore the people telling you how you should feel. They have no clue about your personal cancer journey and the difficulties you have faced.

The newspaper media are full of shit, take no notice

Maybethisyearornext · 16/06/2024 10:53

Saschka · 16/06/2024 10:50

Honestly if your adult children have contacted you in distress because some sycophantic arse has written a fawning column about Catherine in the Daily Mail, maybe they should stop reading it? It’s an absolute irrelevance.

And surely the whole point of having a Royal Family is that we are all “lesser mortals”, and the aristocracy are “our betters”? They literally are, legally, above us (and above the law). Which is why I think it should be abolished…

no we are not "lesser mortals" than monarchy - of course not

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Maybethisyearornext · 16/06/2024 10:52

Eeeden · 16/06/2024 10:47

I think you are making offense for yourself.

I have literally just been called a "lesser mortal" in the national press!

Today I have a friend coming to see me. I have spent the last hour planning on going out to get milk so I can offer her a cup of tea. The shop is less then 10 minutes walk away if you are fit. This is a major struggle and a major expedition. I took time to decide whether to try it myself, or ask another friend to bring some round.

However, I am a "lesser mortal" for achieving "less" than Princess Catherine today

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Saschka · 16/06/2024 10:50

Maybethisyearornext · 16/06/2024 10:18

how do I know? Because one of the support groups I am in has several women with children, and they have been in the group saying how their children have reacted - and because my own (adult) children have also seen this and been shocked and contacted me

And she was having a dig at us, she literally called us "lesser mortals"

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Honestly if your adult children have contacted you in distress because some sycophantic arse has written a fawning column about Catherine in the Daily Mail, maybe they should stop reading it? It’s an absolute irrelevance.

And surely the whole point of having a Royal Family is that we are all “lesser mortals”, and the aristocracy are “our betters”? They literally are, legally, above us (and above the law). Which is why I think it should be abolished…

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 16/06/2024 10:48

It's shitty wording for a shitty article, but a lot of people will ignore that because Kate.

You are not criticising her, or taking anything away from her , or disparaging her, whereas that fucked up wording does from you and millions of other cancer sufferers, but somehow you're in the wrong. Fucking bonkers.

Eeeden · 16/06/2024 10:47

I think you are making offense for yourself.

Beezknees · 16/06/2024 10:47

YANBU but I'm a republican so I can't stand the fawning over the royals in general.

"Lesser mortals" is such a ridiculous turn of phrase.

FictionalCharacter · 16/06/2024 10:43

Allison Pearson writes the most horrible spiteful things at the best of times. She's also thick as mince. Take no notice of her.

Warmfeet · 16/06/2024 10:43

In fairness you didn’t have half of twitter speculating that your dh had killed you, and that that was why you weren’t out and about.

PracticallyYesterday · 16/06/2024 10:43

YellowHairband · 16/06/2024 10:13

To be fair (which is more than Pearson deserves since she is never fair to others), I imagine she'd say she was talking about how other people in Catherine's exact situation may behave ie if Kate was a lesser mortal, she'd have stayed home given the specific circumstances of her life.

I take your point on the tone though. But really, her articles are often unpleasant and I think she can very reasonably be ignored.
She also misses out the king from her fawning - he has cancer and turns up for events.

Even given this interpretation, this ignores the fact that Charles, who is also undergoing cancer treatment, turned up as well.