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to leave DH after he encouraged our DC to kick me

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DearHorse · 15/06/2024 18:32

Just that really.

My DC was kicking my DH. My DH was kicking back (playfully I guess). I got in the middle telling them both to stop and my DH then told my DC to kick me. My DC then started kicking me.

DC is only little (under 5).

Would I be unreasonable to leave him?

There is (obviously) a big backstory, but it is too long for a post. There has been other occasions where he has encouraged our DC to hit me.

OP posts:
OpalSpirit · 13/04/2025 21:03

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:59

No but if he’s messing around with the kids and laughing/running about he’ll say for eg ‘go and hit mummy on the bottom she’s being cheeky’. There is absolutely no malicious intent. It’s being playful. Which is why context/tone/language are all important.

Ok, so in your situation you have an innate understanding that the playing is, in fact, playful.

However, a woman posting over months who is concerned clearly has an innate understanding that her situation is not playful and is damaging.

myplace · 13/04/2025 21:02

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:59

No but if he’s messing around with the kids and laughing/running about he’ll say for eg ‘go and hit mummy on the bottom she’s being cheeky’. There is absolutely no malicious intent. It’s being playful. Which is why context/tone/language are all important.

He called her horrible names, encourages the child to defy her, please reread her posts and reconsider your advice. She should not stay with a man who baits her swears at her, encourages the child to hit her, laughs at her, won’t let her speak her language to her child…

You are like a boiled frog, believing the man’s version- ‘I was just playing about’ instead of the woman ‘he keeps telling my child to hit me’.

Latenightreader · 13/04/2025 21:02

About 15 years ago I was in the supermarket and a boy of about 6 was told he couldn't have something by his mother. He said 'You stupid woman' and no child of that age should be able to speak with such scorn and disgust. I can only imagine that he heard someone else speak to her like this and I still think of her face to this day - she looked so defeated. I hope I was wrong about her home life, and I hope I am wrong that your child is learning to treat you like that.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 13/04/2025 21:01

You need to find the strength to leave. Your child will grow up aggressive and vicious, with no sense of what is right or wrong.
It is a form of child abuse.

2025willbemytime · 13/04/2025 21:00

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:54

We don’t know the situation. We are going off a few paragraphs from OP and have absolutely no idea of the reality. Hence why context is important.

What she's said is enough.

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:59

ReplacementBusService · 13/04/2025 20:56

Does your significant other tells your kids to slap you in the face and kick you for a bit of a laugh? That's not play fighting. Please tell your kids not to do this to you or anyone else for fun

No but if he’s messing around with the kids and laughing/running about he’ll say for eg ‘go and hit mummy on the bottom she’s being cheeky’. There is absolutely no malicious intent. It’s being playful. Which is why context/tone/language are all important.

myplace · 13/04/2025 20:58

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:54

We don’t know the situation. We are going off a few paragraphs from OP and have absolutely no idea of the reality. Hence why context is important.

Have you read each of her posts? Have you noticed that she finds it distressing but her child’s father does it anyway? That he controls her, not allowing her to speak her language to their child?

OpalSpirit · 13/04/2025 20:56

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:39

You want to break up your marriage and family (extremely traumatic for your child) because your husband was playfighting with his child and then suggested to your son he should involve you. They’re mucking around.

If you want to leave your marriage because you’re unhappy that’s one thing, but to divorce over him playfully suggesting your son kick you is absurd.

Leaving an abusive relationship is a big and difficult change. Staying is poison to the child growing up in the situation.

ReplacementBusService · 13/04/2025 20:56

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:49

Depends on the context. Are dad and son having fun, playfighting (totally normal!) and trying to involve mum, laughing, not aggressive etc. Or is dad saying ‘go hit your mum in the face’ with no playful tone, completely serious etc etc.

People on mumsnet are so quick to say ‘leave him’ without considering the consequences to the kids etc. Obviously it goes without saying that domestic abuse is inexcusable and the man must be left, but this does not scream domestic abuse - he has never laid a hand on her??

Does your significant other tells your kids to slap you in the face and kick you for a bit of a laugh? That's not play fighting. Please tell your kids not to do this to you or anyone else for fun

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:54

2025willbemytime · 13/04/2025 20:53

This is such bad advice and comprehension of the situation.

We don’t know the situation. We are going off a few paragraphs from OP and have absolutely no idea of the reality. Hence why context is important.

IVFmumoftwo · 13/04/2025 20:54

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:49

Depends on the context. Are dad and son having fun, playfighting (totally normal!) and trying to involve mum, laughing, not aggressive etc. Or is dad saying ‘go hit your mum in the face’ with no playful tone, completely serious etc etc.

People on mumsnet are so quick to say ‘leave him’ without considering the consequences to the kids etc. Obviously it goes without saying that domestic abuse is inexcusable and the man must be left, but this does not scream domestic abuse - he has never laid a hand on her??

It is because he is encouraging his son to do it instead instead of himself.

ReplacementBusService · 13/04/2025 20:53

DearHorse · 13/04/2025 20:24

@ReplacementBusService I can see that it is worrying. I have had some difficult life experiences prior to this, and have ignored really worrying red flags before.

I have sought support from my friends relating to my DH, but they must be getting tired listening to my stories but not changing anything.

I recently asked a friend to help me find a rental, so I could leave, and she sent me links to potential options, which is great. But then I found myself thinking, is this needed... Should I just stay? I feel stuck in these cycles of going back and forth.

Edited

Unstick yourself darling, you know it well enough that you came back here twice as well as asking all your friends

2025willbemytime · 13/04/2025 20:53

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:49

Depends on the context. Are dad and son having fun, playfighting (totally normal!) and trying to involve mum, laughing, not aggressive etc. Or is dad saying ‘go hit your mum in the face’ with no playful tone, completely serious etc etc.

People on mumsnet are so quick to say ‘leave him’ without considering the consequences to the kids etc. Obviously it goes without saying that domestic abuse is inexcusable and the man must be left, but this does not scream domestic abuse - he has never laid a hand on her??

This is such bad advice and comprehension of the situation.

Jokat · 13/04/2025 20:51

Please leave. Not only does your husband clearly not have any respect for you, but you are also very likely to end up having a broken relationship with your child. One of my friends was in an abusive marriage, and by the time she finally managed to leave, it was too late for her relationship with her children: the one that stayed with her, has been beating her and physically/verbally/emotionally abusing her in many ways for the last few years, having learnt this behaviour from the ex husband before he moved out. The child is only 15. Their life is a nightmare.
Please leave him.

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:49

IVFmumoftwo · 13/04/2025 20:41

It has happened several times including egging on the son to hit his mum in the face. What is the son going to be like towards his mum when he is a teenager?

Depends on the context. Are dad and son having fun, playfighting (totally normal!) and trying to involve mum, laughing, not aggressive etc. Or is dad saying ‘go hit your mum in the face’ with no playful tone, completely serious etc etc.

People on mumsnet are so quick to say ‘leave him’ without considering the consequences to the kids etc. Obviously it goes without saying that domestic abuse is inexcusable and the man must be left, but this does not scream domestic abuse - he has never laid a hand on her??

2025willbemytime · 13/04/2025 20:45

Well it's not right. Your husband is training your child to be the type of man we are all reading about. Abusive towards women. Treating woman like they are worth nothing. This is your life now unless you leave.

The language thing is probably as he doesn't know what you're saying and wants total control.

IVFmumoftwo · 13/04/2025 20:41

thestudio · 13/04/2025 20:40

This is absolutely domestic violence by proxy.

Op, you need to leave. Even if you are unable to do so on your own behalf, your husband is abusing your child by making them the agent of his abuse.

This will only escalate, with terrible outcomes for both you and your child, who may well end up alienated from you altogether.

You said it better than me but that is what I was thinking!

IVFmumoftwo · 13/04/2025 20:41

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:39

You want to break up your marriage and family (extremely traumatic for your child) because your husband was playfighting with his child and then suggested to your son he should involve you. They’re mucking around.

If you want to leave your marriage because you’re unhappy that’s one thing, but to divorce over him playfully suggesting your son kick you is absurd.

It has happened several times including egging on the son to hit his mum in the face. What is the son going to be like towards his mum when he is a teenager?

thestudio · 13/04/2025 20:40

This is absolutely domestic violence by proxy.

Op, you need to leave. Even if you are unable to do so on your own behalf, your husband is abusing your child by making them the agent of his abuse.

This will only escalate, with terrible outcomes for both you and your child, who may well end up alienated from you altogether.

Mumoftwo52 · 13/04/2025 20:39

You want to break up your marriage and family (extremely traumatic for your child) because your husband was playfighting with his child and then suggested to your son he should involve you. They’re mucking around.

If you want to leave your marriage because you’re unhappy that’s one thing, but to divorce over him playfully suggesting your son kick you is absurd.

pikkumyy77 · 13/04/2025 20:39

You need some work on yourself because it is obviously quite bad and your shilly shallying is hurting you. But this is difficult work to do if you have been raised to minimize your own pain and generally talk yourself out of making waves.

One thing to realize though is time’s arrow goes in only one direction. Every day that you delay leaving is another day where your child is hurt by being raised to hurt you, not learning your language, learning to despise you as your partner does. You will never get back these precious early years. Don’t waste another minute of your precious child’s life trying to make this wretched relationship work.

IVFmumoftwo · 13/04/2025 20:34

I have a suspicion that your DH wants to be violent but won't so gets your child to do it but pretends it is a joke. DH sounds like he has no respect for you and sounds like he wants your child to be the same.

IVFmumoftwo · 13/04/2025 20:31

Definitely leave.

DearHorse · 13/04/2025 20:24

@ReplacementBusService I can see that it is worrying. I have had some difficult life experiences prior to this, and have ignored really worrying red flags before.

I have sought support from my friends relating to my DH, but they must be getting tired listening to my stories but not changing anything.

I recently asked a friend to help me find a rental, so I could leave, and she sent me links to potential options, which is great. But then I found myself thinking, is this needed... Should I just stay? I feel stuck in these cycles of going back and forth.

OP posts:
DearHorse · 13/04/2025 20:16

myplace · 13/04/2025 19:29

I’m so sorry, @DearHorse

Why did you stay in the end? It sounds as though he reins it in just long enough for you to back down then when he thinks he can get away with it he starts again.
Unless attacking you is his way of relieving stress, so it will always happen intermittently.

I decided to stay due to multiple reasons. Exhaustion being one. Leaving and making a new life is so much work, which seemed insurmountable. I don't have an "easy" option of going to stay with family. I am also a very indecisive person by nature. Some of my life experiences prior to this relationship probably did not help either. And the responses (here but also in person) who thought that I was overreacting, I could see that point of view too. I struggle to see the bigger picture in general, so I focused on the issue in my OP to try to decide what to do. If I was overreacting, then there was no reason to leave.

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