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Ignorance regarding voting is rife

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DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 15/06/2024 16:05

With the GE around the corner, I read too many times some people banging on about: "You must vote..... women died for the right to vote. etc etc" - then at times you get, "My great grandfather/etc/etc for your freedom so you should vote,etc,etc!"!

People around the world fought for their freedom from the Nazis. It was freedom we retained with millions of armed personnel and civilians losing their lives.
Freedom is the right to choose!!

AIBU to feel that ignorance is rife regarding voting, IE many lack the basic understandings of a 'right to vote' Vs mandatory voting??

FYI, I'm posting from London/England. At times I feel that a lot of these posters may be posting from Russia, China, Australia, North Korea etc as voting there is mandatory I believe and you are not given the freedom to decide.

Scenario!! Come the GE and I have a choice to vote for Labour, Conservatives, Greens, Libs, Refrom, Independent, Etc, ETC. Why should I vote for any of them as I do not just trust my local candidates and nor do I trust at all any political party they represent as things stand!!

I guess, if they had a Jackass as a candidate with the above, I'd vote for that animal.

Finally, everyone that is a citizen of England must have the right to vote when aged 18 and over. Importantly, the right/freedom to refrain from voting must be upheld as this is what my great-grandparents nd their parents fought for!!!

Thank you.

OP posts:
Georgyporky · 15/06/2024 19:47

Only a non-British person would qualify "London" with "England".

Bushmillsbabe · 15/06/2024 19:35

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 15/06/2024 16:27

I don't have a least worst option, no independent in my area. All options are equally appalling

I have this issue. The only 2 viable options in my area are labour and Conservative. I had the misfortune of getting to know the labour candidate at regular meet ups due to pur children, and she us a really 2 faced, hypocritical, judgemental snob of a person who pretends to be working class when she has 4 houses, a nanny, a full time housekeeper etc. I dont want the Tories back in, but I just cannot vote for this labour candidate.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 15/06/2024 19:22

Eh? Cannot follow this at all.

PinkArt · 15/06/2024 19:14

Having crossed paths with the OP on previous threads, perhaps doing one of those 'BS degrees' they decry would help with their comprehension skills.
Clearly no-one actually thinks voting here is mandatory, but a great number of people think it's pretty shameful to not even turn in a spoiled paper when people died to give you the right to vote.
They aren't all the same, they aren't all as bad as each other. They all stand for fundamentally different things and there seems, to me, little as stupid as not having your say when we have the chance to.

tinytemper66 · 15/06/2024 19:10

WantToMakeWorldSilkySmooth · 15/06/2024 16:30

Omg I just realise who the OP is

Me too.
Don't feed the troll 🧌

PataraW4 · 15/06/2024 19:05

As so many have said, voting isn’t mandatory in the UK. Nor is it in Russia. The OP is badly informed and the rest of us will encourage adults in the UK to vote because our votes were hard won and our democracy is important.

WantToMakeWorldSilkySmooth · 15/06/2024 19:01

RationalityIsHard · 15/06/2024 18:54

That only applies though if you think that our current electoral system is even vaguely democratic and representative, which it clearly isn’t. Otherwise people are more than entitled to not vote and then moan about it.

Interestingly I realised few yeara ago how many many people say "i don't vote because my vote won't change anything"...
30% and more don't vote. These votes can absolute make difference. If not at final results immediately, in showing others that there are more people voting for who they would and swinging their votes and eventually bringing change.

Pinkmoose · 15/06/2024 19:01

1/3 of the population didn't vote I the last election you can choose to vote none by writing it across the paper. This then registers as a protest vote as opposed to not being heard at all.

AmelieTaylor · 15/06/2024 19:01

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator

obviously they're talking about a moral obligation to vote not a legal one

i do, pretty much, agree with there being a moral obligation to vote (even if you show your disgust/indifference to ALL the candidates) by spoiling your vote.

I would never support a legal obligation to vote.Apart from rebelling against that kind of thing, it's better if people who have no knowledge or actual well formed opinion don't just vote for the name or rosette colour they like the most

SoupDragon · 15/06/2024 18:58

Your OP is incoherent.

Daphnis156 · 15/06/2024 18:56

Maybe the vote should only be granted to those of good character and a certain level of intelligence.
The rest could be like the Proles in 1984.

ThistleWitch · 15/06/2024 18:56

WantToMakeWorldSilkySmooth · 15/06/2024 16:30

Omg I just realise who the OP is

Oh for fucks sake!

RationalityIsHard · 15/06/2024 18:54

WantToMakeWorldSilkySmooth · 15/06/2024 16:13

You don't have to vote, but as my father used to say:
If you don't vote, don't moan after.

That only applies though if you think that our current electoral system is even vaguely democratic and representative, which it clearly isn’t. Otherwise people are more than entitled to not vote and then moan about it.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 15/06/2024 18:52

Oh Christ, it's you again!

It's interesting that you talk about the ignorance of others, then talk about voting for a Jackass.

Perhaps it is you that is the Jackass.

Auntimabelsbudgie · 15/06/2024 18:49

itsgettingweird · 15/06/2024 17:12

Well spotted 👀

Op trying to be witty

Auntimabelsbudgie · 15/06/2024 18:47

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 15/06/2024 17:00

The point is those countries along with Australia have mandatory voting

My point is as per my OP

Voting must be a right for those 18 and over but we must retain the freedom of choice, IE to vote or not vote!!

i.e does not require uppercase

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/06/2024 18:47

Haven't RTFT. But honestly, mansplaining voting rights to women? No thanks. Women did die so I can vote. If I'm 'none of the above' I spoil my ballot, I don't fail to turn up.

tuvamoodyson · 15/06/2024 18:44

So don’t vote 🤷‍♀️

Topseyt123 · 15/06/2024 18:44

It's not an English General Election, it's a United Kingdom one. There's a big difference there and you need to educate yourself on that.

Your language sounds much more like American English than UK English (the word Jackass for instance). So are you really posting from London, England? My gut feeling is no.

You also can't spell "nonsense" properly. It certainly isn't "nonesense."

user1471453601 · 15/06/2024 18:35

It seems to me that when people say you must vote that they do not mean that legally you are required to vote. I think they mean that, in their view, voting is the morally right thing to do.

I'd be surprised if your reading of their meaning is the correct one. The very fact that they site that people have died for the right to vote (and not using a legal reason) leads me to this opinion.

OuijaBoard · 15/06/2024 18:35

I don't think it's ignorance; more a difference of opinion: some people feel as if everyone should be obligated to vote, others feel it's a matter of choice and the choice includes not voting at all. Personally I think it's worth going to the polls and spoiling one's ballot if there's no way you can bring yourself to vote for any candidate; this at least reduces the % of voters voting for each candidate and improves the turnout figures. However, people will differ on whether it's worth the trouble or not.

You don't have to vote, but as my father used to say: If you don't vote, don't moan after. Seems situational: if you don't vote then it's a bit hypocritical to complain that you got Tories instead of Labour (or vice versa) or didn't get the MP you wanted. But if you're complaining now that none of the candidates/parties are any good from your perspective, the election isn't going to change that whether you vote or not.

Also, and tangentially: it's a UK General Election; people from all four countries can vote in it. As can Irish and Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK. And absolutely no one has English citizenship. However, it's kind of shocking not just that someone posted "we're all English" but that several posters agreed with it! 😲The OP at least seems to know that the legal voting age differs by UK constituent country.

GalileoHumpkins · 15/06/2024 18:27

Why are you thanking us?

AgnesX · 15/06/2024 18:22

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WantToMakeWorldSilkySmooth · 15/06/2024 18:17

AgnesX · 15/06/2024 18:16

Who is he/she??

Bunfight maker usually. Attempted one

ThereIsIron · 15/06/2024 18:16

Is this a Monty Python sketch?