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Are Butlins right to refuse bookings from solo travellers?

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KimberleyClark · 15/06/2024 09:15

This woman used to take her son, he has grown out of it but she still wants to go on her own but Butlins Skegness won’t accept her booking on “family breaks” - she can only go on the adults only weekend breaks. Safeguarding reasons apparently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9eerp43v12o

YANBU - ridiculous
YABU - they are right.

Michelle Waite with her son at Butlin's in Skegness

Woman's anger as Butlin's says she can't visit alone

The mother visited the Skegness resort for 20 years before being told lone travellers are barred.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9eerp43v12o

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FriendlyNeighbourhoodAccountant · 15/06/2024 16:33

HollyKnight · 15/06/2024 15:28

@Auburngal She's going there because it holds nice memories for her. Not because it's the only place to go on holiday. A lot of people are sentimental about things and places.

I'm an adult, but I still like to walk through the caravan park I spent most of my childhood summers at because it brings back good memories. (Can't afford to buy one though because they cost more than my house!)

Then surely she can go on any of the weekends/weeks that aren't geared around kids?

itsmylife7 · 15/06/2024 16:23

I've just read the article.

This woman has been offered, by strangers,to tag onto their family booking but she's refused!!

No, she wants the Butlins policy to be changed.....well I say tough !!!

Differentstarts · 15/06/2024 16:15

It's just an odd place to go without children what's she going to do why there, go in the play areas in the day then dance at the kids disco then sit and watch a kids magic show. Strange

HollyKnight · 15/06/2024 15:28

@Auburngal She's going there because it holds nice memories for her. Not because it's the only place to go on holiday. A lot of people are sentimental about things and places.

I'm an adult, but I still like to walk through the caravan park I spent most of my childhood summers at because it brings back good memories. (Can't afford to buy one though because they cost more than my house!)

Auburngal · 15/06/2024 15:21

There is more to see and do than a bloody holiday park! It’s not like it’s the ONLY place to go on holiday!

She needs to get a grip and book somewhere else for a change

Auburngal · 15/06/2024 15:18

She needs to move on like her family’s tastes and wants.

I would not like to go and spend my time at a holiday camp with loads of screaming kids

HollyKnight · 15/06/2024 15:13

Nah, it's not safeguarding reasons. It's about money. They lose out on money when one person takes up a whole unit. Plus all the food and extras additional people would spend while there. If they actually cared about safeguarding, they wouldn't allow all-adults group bookings either, but they do (up to 4 guests).

tuvamoodyson · 15/06/2024 15:06

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 15/06/2024 14:16

Kid are allowed on crusie ships unless its an "adults" only cruise

Is you saying that kids are allowed on all types of crusies if that the case, you are very wrong!!!

Yes, I know that, thank you….I was responding to OP who said she regularly cruised with a line that allowed children but she’d never seen anyone under 18 on it, that was all. I know perfectly well that adult only cruises don’t allow children! The clue, after all, is in the name.

wutheringkites · 15/06/2024 14:29

While I think it's unfortunate for this woman, I imagine the vast majority of single adults wouldn't want to holiday around paranoid and self-entitled parents.

Yes, how dare people with children book family breaks. So entitled!

sparkleowl · 15/06/2024 14:26

Dishwashersaurous · 15/06/2024 09:28

Of course butlins is right. She doesn't meet the criteria for a family break.

The same as a 20 year old wouldn't be allowed at an over 65s only event.

She really needs to move on with her life and try other holidays.We also don’t know the full picture.She would have more fun with friends the same age as her now.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/06/2024 14:23

Why can’t she advertise as a free child minder for a family who wants to go to this resort? Then she would get to go where she wants, a family would get some help with their kids? Everyone wins…..( even Butlins who get an extra customer).

wutheringkites · 15/06/2024 14:19

KimberleyClark · 15/06/2024 09:31

Presumably she doesn’t want to go on an adults only break because she wants a family vibe. I do feel sorry for her.

Other peoples' children aren't responsible for providing her with a vibe.

TotalAbsenceOfImperialRaiment · 15/06/2024 14:19

Why can't she just book into a seaside hotel or a country cottage?

PeachMartini · 15/06/2024 14:17

Well, safeguarding is a bit of a ridiculous rule when they don’t DBS check their staff or the fact that the majority of children are abused by someone in their own family. if they can’t offer single supplemented accommodation due to loss of income they should say that.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 15/06/2024 14:16

tuvamoodyson · 15/06/2024 13:45

My niece has cruised for years with her husband and, at the time, pre-school age children.

Kid are allowed on crusie ships unless its an "adults" only cruise

Is you saying that kids are allowed on all types of crusies if that the case, you are very wrong!!!

Daddydog · 15/06/2024 14:14

Feelsodrained · 15/06/2024 13:30

Your three year old was having a chocolate wrap massage? “Every day” she’d let her help feed the cats but literally the second day the pedo gran got her alone in her room? So after one day? And the manager of a holiday resort loved having a three year old around so much that she got free treatments daily?

Every afternoon my wife would have a different spa treatment and the lovely Spa manager would gift the same 'mini' treatment to my daughter. Every trip we take, no matter where in the world, as she is very racially ambiguous - she always gets the "wow, she looks exactly like my daughter!" by staff and gets special treatment. That's exactly what happend here with the Spa Manager. Shes also one of those kids who has 'been on this planet before'. Her grandmother died of cancer a month before she was born. She never got to see her first grandchild so we gave her the name which means 'my mother has returned in you'. So appropriate!

KimberleyClark · 15/06/2024 14:14

tuvamoodyson · 15/06/2024 13:45

My niece has cruised for years with her husband and, at the time, pre-school age children.

And? Not sure what your point is. Children are allowed on cruise ships.

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tuvamoodyson · 15/06/2024 13:45

KimberleyClark · 15/06/2024 09:39

I did say most not all. I regularly cruise with a line that doesn’t ban children but I’ve never seen an under 18 on there. And the mandatory safety drill explicitly mentions children - they have to because children are not banned!

My niece has cruised for years with her husband and, at the time, pre-school age children.

Prawncow · 15/06/2024 13:41

Of course pedophiles would take advantage of allowing solo adults at a family weekend in Butlins. Very very naive to think otherwise. Safeguarding is thinking the “unthinkable “

This ^

The most common risk to children comes from someone known to the family or a family member. ‘Stranger danger’ is much less common but anything that’s very child focused attracts those paedophiles. Theme parks, zoos, ‘family fun’ days, parks. Places where there are a high concentration of children.

Helloworld56 · 15/06/2024 13:34

I don't know why a single woman would even want to go to Butlins. There are lots of solo holidays that would be better.

PickledPurplePickle · 15/06/2024 13:32

KimberleyClark · 15/06/2024 09:25

Plenty of solo travellers go on cruises which are family friendly. Perhaps the cruise lines should ban them.

It’s not the same though is it

They have a rule and she can go when it’s adult breaks

Feelsodrained · 15/06/2024 13:30

Daddydog · 15/06/2024 12:54

The are absolutely correct. Had an unsettling experience with a "sweet' lady in her 60s on a resort holiday being inappropriate with my 3 year old daughter last year. I think back now and in hindsight all the signs were there from our first day, but at the time, you try and not be judgemental, maybe she's just socially unaware of boundaries etc. As she never had kids we just assumed that's why she was smitten with ours.

She came with bags of dreamies to feed the cats the resort adopted. That was her hook. My daughter and her would feed the cats around the pool. Every day she would give a pack of dreamies to our daughter. On day two she had a 'gift' for our daughter in her room a few metres away and 'would she likes to come with her to get it' - still at this point we thought she was a safe, sweet old lady. They were gone for 3 mins but such a stupid, stupid thing to let happen and I'm so angry with myself. Throughout the holiday, we couldn't go anywhere without this lady appearing. Oddly, never interacting with our 3 month old baby, only the 3 year old.

My wife went for spa treatments daily and would bring 3 year old as the spa manager loved my daughter and would give her free mini-treatments. One day I forgot to take the nappy bag for the baby from her rucksack, so went to the spa to get it and found her upset. This sweet old lady had followed them into the spa reception. My daughter was talking about the chocolate wrap massage she was going to have when this woman starts touching her legs "oh, will they massage you like this or like this?" etc. My wife said she was discombobulated and couldn't quite compute what was happening. Spell was broken when she saw the look of horror on other guests faces. Then like the end of ' The Usual Suspects' we started piecing all our interactions with her together. So many red flags but only when they were all put together. Even husband who we didn't even realise she was with until well into holiday, never spoke a word, never interacted with us and would just sit in the background staring.

We felt like truly awful parents for assuming this sweet 'old' lady's was harmless.

Your three year old was having a chocolate wrap massage? “Every day” she’d let her help feed the cats but literally the second day the pedo gran got her alone in her room? So after one day? And the manager of a holiday resort loved having a three year old around so much that she got free treatments daily?

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I know, I'm a fool. 30 seconds later it hit us on the danger we put our daughter in. As I was about to go and find them they came back, daughter beaming with her new baseball cap, and we started feeling guilty for assuming this sweet old lady was a pedo, which is why maybe we gave her more of our misguided trust. This felt like textbook grooming. Every day they win your trust a little bit more.