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Aladdinzane · 2024-06-14T14:04:27+00:00

[[https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-live-updates-reform-labour-tories-3110227 https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-live-updates-reform-labour-tories-3110227]] Farage is claiming he is the de facto leader of the opposition and that he should get a head to head debate with Starmer. His party currently holds no seats. What do you think? Is someone positioning himself for something after the election?

LlynTegid · 14/06/2024 16:12

I don't think he should get a debate solely with Keir Starmer, or indeed Rishi Sunak.

I'm hoping the second largest party will be the Lib Dems.

Icantpaint · 14/06/2024 16:11

Wildblueberries · 14/06/2024 16:03

To summarise then, Nigel Farage is leader of the 2nd most popular political party in the country ahead of the current government in most polls, but according to mumsnet he is a " deluded attention seeker".. talk about a left wing echo chamber. 😅 In reality he will get millions of votes but here of course he is a racist Bigot etc etc yawn 💤

That all being said due to the absurd Fptp system, reform could get more votes than the tories and ZERO seats in Parliament...the ultimate in a sham democracy that needs radical changes. I will still vote reform as we need literal reform in many areas..millions of others will but not on here obviously. The home of the guardian reader 😐

Were you against FPTP when conservatives won a majority of seats with a minority of the vote? Or the Lib Dem and Green parties share doesn’t translate into seats?

IClaudine · 14/06/2024 16:10

Summerfreezemakesmedrinkwine · 14/06/2024 16:06

It was a yougov poll, wasn't it?

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Yes you're right. Reform one percent ahead of the Tories. God almighty.

yougov.co.uk/elections/uk/2024

GiveMeSpanakopita · 14/06/2024 16:10

I certainly think he will win Clacton. It's a very deprived area with a very high level of economically inactive people and lots of the social and health problems that arise from economic depression. It is a microcosm of how successive governments have allowed certain areas of the UK to be ignored, neglected and fall into (barely) managed decline. It voted very strongly for Brexit and I think will swing behind Farage.

DisappearingGirl · 14/06/2024 16:09

I think Farage has a gift for tapping into populist sentiment and making himself appear likeable to people who aren't very informed about politics (i.e. large swathes of the population).

Similar to Boris and Trump. And Blair now that I think about it.

noblegiraffe · 14/06/2024 16:09

Ed Davey is more likely to be leader of the opposition than Nigel Farage.

IClaudine · 14/06/2024 16:09

Just popping this here. Worth bearing in mind.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1335nj316lo.amp

Icantpaint · 14/06/2024 16:09

IClaudine · 14/06/2024 16:00

Which is just not going to happen. Reform UK will win a couple of seats at the most. Possibly none.

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But my worry is that a strong reform gote (even if it doesn’t translate to seats) coupled with a decimated conservative one, may well mean that instead of the conservatives realising they’ve gone too far right, and coming back towards the centre, they will believe they haven’t gone right enough and our politics just polarises further.

maybe a large chunk of the elect really is further right than I’d hoped.

Summerfreezemakesmedrinkwine · 14/06/2024 16:06

IClaudine · 14/06/2024 16:06

Nigel Farage is leader of the 2nd most popular political party in the country ahead of the current government

I thought the only poll that showed that was GB news?

It was a yougov poll, wasn't it?

IClaudine · 14/06/2024 16:06

Nigel Farage is leader of the 2nd most popular political party in the country ahead of the current government

I thought the only poll that showed that was GB news?

Wildblueberries · 14/06/2024 16:04

DadJoke · 14/06/2024 16:02

Here's hoping. He's a racist grifter who has said quite clearly he wants to dismantle the NHS.

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When you compare the cancer waiting times and general performance of it to other European countries, it needs scrapping and reforming. It's unfit for purpose

Wildblueberries · 14/06/2024 16:03

To summarise then, Nigel Farage is leader of the 2nd most popular political party in the country ahead of the current government in most polls, but according to mumsnet he is a " deluded attention seeker".. talk about a left wing echo chamber. 😅 In reality he will get millions of votes but here of course he is a racist Bigot etc etc yawn 💤

That all being said due to the absurd Fptp system, reform could get more votes than the tories and ZERO seats in Parliament...the ultimate in a sham democracy that needs radical changes. I will still vote reform as we need literal reform in many areas..millions of others will but not on here obviously. The home of the guardian reader 😐

DadJoke · 14/06/2024 16:02

IClaudine · 14/06/2024 16:00

Which is just not going to happen. Reform UK will win a couple of seats at the most. Possibly none.

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Here's hoping. He's a racist grifter who has said quite clearly he wants to dismantle the NHS.

IClaudine · 14/06/2024 16:00

DadJoke · 14/06/2024 15:51

He'll be the leader of the opposition if Reform gets second most MPs after the election and he is elected in Clacton.

Which is just not going to happen. Reform UK will win a couple of seats at the most. Possibly none.

blackcherryconserve · 14/06/2024 15:59

aerkfjherf · 14/06/2024 15:23

his party is second in the polls

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That does note equate to seats in Parliament thanks to first past the post. Frage is doing what he does best - shit stirring.

IClaudine · 14/06/2024 15:59

He is not even the leader of a political party.

He is a racist grifter and I hope Clacton does the decent thing and votes for whoever the Tory candidate is (guessing Labour despite have a chance).

Summerfreezemakesmedrinkwine · 14/06/2024 15:57

DadJoke · 14/06/2024 15:51

He'll be the leader of the opposition if Reform gets second most MPs after the election and he is elected in Clacton.

Sorry, reading fail.

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Aladdinzane · 14/06/2024 15:56

@DadJoke

Or if he wins Clacton and defects to the tories?

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DadJoke · 14/06/2024 15:51

He'll be the leader of the opposition if Reform gets second most MPs after the election and he is elected in Clacton.

Spinet · 14/06/2024 15:51

Aladdinzane · 14/06/2024 15:43

There is rumour that, should Farage win Clacton as the only Reform seat but with them winning a solid share of the vote, and the Tories have an electoral disaster, Farage will defect and be elected leader of the Conservatives.

This would probably make him leader of the opposition.

I bet he would do this as well. Hopefully Labour trounce them and he becomes virtually powerless? Have I mentioned I fucking hate him?

QueenOfThorns · 14/06/2024 15:45

aerkfjherf · 14/06/2024 15:28

no, in several, since yesterday, and even when not a clear second is looking like a joint second in many - this was even reported in the BBC news at lunch time, even though the BBC poll still shows the tories ahead of reform, up to yesterday

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I’m not entirely sure that this is true (I read earlier that 4 polls have come out since the YouGov one and none of the others have Reform ahead). Even if it was, with the FPTP system, it doesn’t translate to many MPs. This needs updating, but on the 8th they were only predicted to get one: https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2024/05/britainpredicts

Who will win the 2024 UK general election?

The definitive forecast model — How the country will vote according to Britain Predicts

https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2024/05/britainpredicts

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Aladdinzane · 14/06/2024 15:45

"He has a habit of knowing which way the wind is blowing,"

He has a habit of pandering to people's prejudices even if they aren't actually the issue they think it is.

Proposing flimsy and simplistic policies too.

Oh, and not turning up to work/fulfilling his duties very well.

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ArabellaFishwife · 14/06/2024 15:44

I don't underestimate him, and I certainly don't underestimate his ambitions.

But he can still fuck off.

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Aladdinzane · 14/06/2024 15:43

There is rumour that, should Farage win Clacton as the only Reform seat but with them winning a solid share of the vote, and the Tories have an electoral disaster, Farage will defect and be elected leader of the Conservatives.

This would probably make him leader of the opposition.

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mansplainingsincethe90s · 14/06/2024 15:42

Feels like '97 all over again. ✊