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Hardknocks · 13/06/2024 20:51

I don’t know what’s in the water at the moment but I’ve posted a few times on here in the last few months seeking advice and have received nothing but awful, nasty comments that have really upset me, and I am not a sensitive person. I don’t have a close circle of mum friends, I’m not close to my mum either so this is the only place I can come and voice these concerns or feelings.

Nothing I’ve said has been outrageous or contentious, I mainly ask questions about whether particular aspects of my toddlers behaviour is normal, but I’ve been called a bad mum, entitled, lazy and stupid amongst other worse ones. I know (or thought) I wasn’t any of those things, just a mum to a 2 year old navigating this all for the first time.

This forum has really changed in the last few years and I’m not sure why, but it’s not a very nice place to be anymore. If anyone has any suggestions for other forums please let me know… I could really do with the support.

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shearwater2 · 14/06/2024 15:10

You could hide AIBU, OP. The rest of the place is different.

starlingskies · 14/06/2024 15:09

I think you can't win on here, no matter what you post, often the replies take the opposite view. If you posted a thread on the same topic with the opposite view on the OP, you would get responses which would agree with you/have sympathy on your original view. It's like devil's advocate every time. No matter what you say, there will be a queue of people to say that you are wrong!

NonPlayerCharacter · 14/06/2024 15:07

Yampy · 14/06/2024 14:57

I know of 2 websites that infiltrated mumsnet years ago, they were underground music forums, some of the men who did this still brag about it & haven’t covered their tracks very well. I reckon a lot of them still come on here, they are certainly obsessed with this place, you know with women supporting each other & having rights.

I still laugh when I remember the dudebro who came on here to tell us we were all old, fat and mumsy and would never get a sexy catch like him, until someone asked him why, if he was such catnip and we were such hags, he was hanging around with us alone at 10pm on a Saturday night.

EatCrow · 14/06/2024 15:02

Lavengro · 14/06/2024 10:45

I've been here about 15 years. It's definitely nastier than it used to be. I think like a lot of places, both on the internet and in public life, it's become a battleground for polarised behaviour, which I see as a kind of social/political development since around the time of Brexit, then Covid, and now just within politics generally. A lot of this has been driven by foreign governments and the seeding of discussion forums with bots and AI, just to get opinion polarised and increasingly verbally violent, and to sow division within communities. I think a lot of OP's aren't real, and that real posters subliminally respond to that (but don't always get it right), and also that a lot of responders aren't real. The goal is just to generate dissent and misunderstanding in previously civilised communities, make society fight itself and increase the likelihood that people will believe bonkers/nasty things and vote in bonkers/nasty ways. I guess we should be flattered that Russia/China et al think Mumsnet is influential enough to be a fertile environment for sowing social discord, but it's a shame, and as OP demonstrates, affects real people in a horrible way.

Excellent post and a perfect summation.

EatCrow · 14/06/2024 15:00

MyQuaintDog · 14/06/2024 12:41

I am sorry you have had this.
I used to post to ask for advice about DC. Now days this is the very last place I would ask. MN is fine to just chat. It is a terrible place for advice about your children.

…it’s called “Mum”snet. Things don’t get much stranger than that!

CoffeeCantata · 14/06/2024 14:58

That's a shame, OP. I'm sorry you didn't get the support you were after.

I don't come on much and don't recall any of your posts, but I do know what you mean.

I often wish pps would just answer the OP's questions instead of finding things to pick on within their post. The number of times you get people having a go because of a word/expression someone has used, or people reading far too much between the lines and trying to psychoanalyse them (when that wasn't what was requested!!).

Just answer the OP's question in good faith, and if you can't - then walk on by.

Yampy · 14/06/2024 14:57

AutumnFroglets · 14/06/2024 12:26

I believe it was a Reddit subforum that a lot of basement dwellers were on so not technically a mens only website. Other people found out and posted about it on here shortly after a large influx of hate.

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I know of 2 websites that infiltrated mumsnet years ago, they were underground music forums, some of the men who did this still brag about it & haven’t covered their tracks very well. I reckon a lot of them still come on here, they are certainly obsessed with this place, you know with women supporting each other & having rights.

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MissMoan · 14/06/2024 14:43

My last submission was a light-hearted post that was meant to induce humour, but I mostly received an influx of negativity.

Silvers11 · 14/06/2024 14:41

@Hardknocks I sympathise with you. A lot of very mean /nasty comments and 'kicking of the OP' while they are down. It's not just the Original Posts which get nasty replies. A lot of the replies do too, because someone disagrees with the reply and decides to have a go at the person replying in a nasty way too

dutysuite · 14/06/2024 14:38

It’s why I’d never post asking for advice, that and the fact I might see my post posted on the mumsnet Facebook page of which I don’t follow but still sometimes see a post from this site lifted and posted on there.

Becauseurworthit · 14/06/2024 14:19

Lavengro · 14/06/2024 10:45

I've been here about 15 years. It's definitely nastier than it used to be. I think like a lot of places, both on the internet and in public life, it's become a battleground for polarised behaviour, which I see as a kind of social/political development since around the time of Brexit, then Covid, and now just within politics generally. A lot of this has been driven by foreign governments and the seeding of discussion forums with bots and AI, just to get opinion polarised and increasingly verbally violent, and to sow division within communities. I think a lot of OP's aren't real, and that real posters subliminally respond to that (but don't always get it right), and also that a lot of responders aren't real. The goal is just to generate dissent and misunderstanding in previously civilised communities, make society fight itself and increase the likelihood that people will believe bonkers/nasty things and vote in bonkers/nasty ways. I guess we should be flattered that Russia/China et al think Mumsnet is influential enough to be a fertile environment for sowing social discord, but it's a shame, and as OP demonstrates, affects real people in a horrible way.

I wouldn't have believed you, until I followed one thread with a very click bait title... Something like 'AIBU, I hate my 8 year old daughter' which described behaviour which could have been driven by undiagnosed SEN or perhaps just unruly. The post then made the Sun, word for word, title and all, quoting 3 brief responses which satisfied the reading criteria for the Sun. The Op's brief appearances on the thread did not strike me as at all realistic and I am convinced it was either a spectacularly lazy journalist with very poor morality or AI. The value of the article was nil, just words & click bait. Yet empathetic posters, I'm sure with much better uses for their time, kept the thread going long after AI or the journalist checked out.

The sheer number of threads about VAT on private schools also makes me wonder... Although I can't work out the ultimate agenda, beyond division.

BakedTattie · 14/06/2024 14:12

I’ve been on MN for over 11 years. I think for the last 1” years it’s been getting slowly worse and more aggressive.

When I had my second child 9 years ago I posted asking if the time we had waited in hospital for him to be given important medication was acceptable or if I should say something. Some of the replies were horrendous, calling me a bad mum, a bad person, ignorant and even an abuser for letting my son down. i had only just had my son and was still very fragile. It was awful. And I still think about those comments I got.

positivewings · 14/06/2024 14:10

I wonder how many on this thread have been the ones to say something nasty on other threads.

JamSandle · 14/06/2024 14:02

I agree. Overall it is cruel, judgemental and not a healthy place for those seeking help.

Lavengro · 14/06/2024 13:56

Exactlab · 14/06/2024 13:30

You really think it’s bots?

I doubt any of the people who were writing nasty things to me in response to my post were from anywhere other than the UK.

They all ganged up on me and told me my partner would leave me when I was pregnant.

No, you missed my point. I think there's a lot of bot activity on social media generally, and the point of them is to polarise debate and toxify public discourse, which creates fertile ground for other kinds of social division. Ordinary people being obnoxious to each other is fallout from that.

It's not exactly an original observation and the fact that people are already mocking it kind of proves my point.

The Rise Of Bots For Social Media Intimidation

The growth of social media has completely changed the way we communicate and access information - especially in times of conflict. Whilst in many ways this has been a good thing, in other ways it

https://techround.co.uk/news/the-rise-of-bots-for-social-media-intimidation/

Houseofdragonsisback · 14/06/2024 13:50

The other sort of pile on I'm not a fan of is where the OP is in a disagreement of some sort but with nuance or shades of grey that's worth discussing but then get a load of "OMG your MIL is such a bitch" or "OMG your DH is such a twat".

I hate the ones that focus on something not pertinent to the situation & go off eg OP says “DH was late for dinner again”. Cue lots of “we say supper”, blah blah blah.

Treestumpp · 14/06/2024 13:49

Howbizarre22 · 14/06/2024 13:47

I recently started a thread of positivity called pure joy to try and counter all the negativity but it had about 3 responses 😂🤣🤣 I guess people are drawn to the bad stuff more & love a good argument!

Haha one appeared last night about how to have a happier day. I'll try and dig it out if it wasnt deleted LOL

Here you go
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5096461-little-things-you-do-daily-that-makes-you-happy?reply=136005900

WhatNoRaisins · 14/06/2024 13:47

Treestumpp · 14/06/2024 13:44

The gestapo are always deleting threads, you don't get that on any other boards. You can type reams of advice then the OP decides they shouldnt have asked it or someone takes offence and it goes. Just what's the point!!

I do think that that's made the average poster a bit snarkier. Almost a why bother with a good thoughtful reply when it's going to be deleted anyway?

Howbizarre22 · 14/06/2024 13:47

I recently started a thread of positivity called pure joy to try and counter all the negativity but it had about 3 responses 😂🤣🤣 I guess people are drawn to the bad stuff more & love a good argument!

Treestumpp · 14/06/2024 13:44

The gestapo are always deleting threads, you don't get that on any other boards. You can type reams of advice then the OP decides they shouldnt have asked it or someone takes offence and it goes. Just what's the point!!

Howbizarre22 · 14/06/2024 13:40

It’s fast becoming a site for arguments & hate, not women supporting women. It’s becoming extremely unpleasant. Like others say, you post something to make a suggestion or give advice to help someone and you get ripped apart and ridiculed. It’s awful.

pushchairprincess · 14/06/2024 13:32

Exactlab · 14/06/2024 13:30

You really think it’s bots?

I doubt any of the people who were writing nasty things to me in response to my post were from anywhere other than the UK.

They all ganged up on me and told me my partner would leave me when I was pregnant.

Better get my tin foil hat on 😅

Ellie56 · 14/06/2024 13:32

Hardknocks · 14/06/2024 13:18

Thank you @Ellie56. I definitely still have concerns. There are a lot of flags that make me think she may be on the spectrum, but she has her 2 year check coming up, and I’m going to try and speak to the HV about a potential assessment. I just want the best for her, and to be able to support her if that is the case. Though I know it’s difficult to tell what is ASD and what is ‘normal toddler behaviour’ at this age.

@Hardknocks

Yes talking to the HV or GP is a good place to start and if her speech and language is delayed ask for a referral to a a speech & language therapist. From what I hear and read, the waiting lists are horrendously long at the moment.

Exactlab · 14/06/2024 13:30

Lavengro · 14/06/2024 10:45

I've been here about 15 years. It's definitely nastier than it used to be. I think like a lot of places, both on the internet and in public life, it's become a battleground for polarised behaviour, which I see as a kind of social/political development since around the time of Brexit, then Covid, and now just within politics generally. A lot of this has been driven by foreign governments and the seeding of discussion forums with bots and AI, just to get opinion polarised and increasingly verbally violent, and to sow division within communities. I think a lot of OP's aren't real, and that real posters subliminally respond to that (but don't always get it right), and also that a lot of responders aren't real. The goal is just to generate dissent and misunderstanding in previously civilised communities, make society fight itself and increase the likelihood that people will believe bonkers/nasty things and vote in bonkers/nasty ways. I guess we should be flattered that Russia/China et al think Mumsnet is influential enough to be a fertile environment for sowing social discord, but it's a shame, and as OP demonstrates, affects real people in a horrible way.

You really think it’s bots?

I doubt any of the people who were writing nasty things to me in response to my post were from anywhere other than the UK.

They all ganged up on me and told me my partner would leave me when I was pregnant.

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