To be done with this forum..

Some might say it looks almost deliberate as controversial threads attract more posts and therefore more revenue.

there are a lot of threads that look like they are AI and they generate traffic.

You’ve said it three times now 😂

I’m not trying to derail at all and am happy to move on.

I really have no idea who you are or what point you think you are scoring or making. I’m here to support the OP and that is all. Please move along! I’m not wishing to derail the thread.

Absolutely agree! I don’t think anyone disagrees with that do they?

As you know AliceOlive, I was making an entirely separate point.

The OP has been attacked and criticized while seeking help. I hope she will stick around and take some of the great advice from other posters. There is good support here, but sometimes you must take what helps and leave the rest.

Your response doesn’t surprise me one bit AliceOlive but I respectfully disagree.

I have every sympathy with the op and have addressed her points in pps on this thread, but the discussion has now broadened, as these things tend to do. The subject of moderation was raised and I was addressing that specific point.

Also, as I understand it, a wide spectrum of political opinions should be able to be aired freely on Mumsnet and given a fair hearing. And that, as far as I am concerned anyway, is one of the main attractions of the site.

I don’t think you should bring your political opinions and personal complaints about other posters here to the OP’s thread. The people that have attacked her are unlikely to be engaged in the same topics as you.

Right, but it’s based on users reporting. And that’s… less than perfect.

I agree with this view. Mumsnet Towers can’t win really. It must be extremely hard to manage. And what does everyone expect from a site that is essentially free to use?

I think they run in to difficulties though by moderators relying too heavily on posters reporting, rather than Mumsnet Towers making their own independent judgments.

There can be certain “polemical” topics shall we say, where groups of posters who hold one view, have started reporting en masse the posts of people whose respectful but opposing views they disagree with. And that can lead to certain voices being continually shut down unfairly, which is the opposite of what this forum is about.

Obviously I am not going to mention names but I am quite surprised to see one or two posters on this thread advocating “good behaviour” who are guilty of this and who can be extremely snarky and condescending in their replies; not to mention intolerant of views opposite to their own.

I have tried to couch this post in as respectful a way as possible. I am not posting gratuitously as (see my pps on this thread) I have a great deal of love for Mumsnet but I think this is an issue that needs addressing. And I hope this post won’t be deleted as it is meant sincerely.

MN does have moderators, they work behind the scenes

When you report something someone has posted, the moderators work behind the scenes to decide if it's posted by a troll, if it breaks Talk Guidelines etc. that's called moderating.

theyre even called Mods.

the ones that volunteer at nighttime are called Night Watch

Mumsnet is self moderated.

Yes please!

Would you like me to say it another way?

I've been on MN under different name changes for quite a few years now.
Far too many keyboard warrior's who are "right", in their own opinion.
No empathy, and glad they're not my friends.

Huh?

Mumsnet isn't moderated though.

People ought to try being a moderator for a week to appreciate how difficult it is to get right. Especially on a forum like this with highly opinionated and demanding punters.

Over-moderate and you're accused of shutting down democratic debate
Under-moderate and you're accused of allowing comments to slip through for an easy life etc
You just can't win.

You'll never please all of the people all of the time and will get blamed endlessly whichever decisions you make.

Rather them than me!

Just ignore the nasty, vile posters but mark my words, they will then try posting abuse at you along with their chums!! Just keep on ignoring them, they will eventually give up

Never forget its not abusers site, the site belongs to MN. Therefore, if you want to ask a question, ask, but be prepared for many genuine responses that you may not like and ignore the shit stirrers!!

I've found many helpful posters here and some have even pm's me as I have sincerely thanking them

IMO, MN has good Genral health forums for adults and more importantly for kids where reading the posts can be reassuring when others have gone through similar and good results at the end of the day!!

OP, some of these posters are so nast y they may be 40/50/60+ years old the langue they post at times is disugting and the sneering, the backslapping is awful - but never forget that is how they get their kicks and if you don't acknowledge them - trust me, it is the right thing!!

you can also air stuff that you cant discuss with people you know IRL

So op, ignore them op and you carry on posting!!!

It's more that it always seems to go the opposite way from the OP, nearly every time. It doesn't seem to be a balance of different views as most tend to be opposite to the OP rather than an equal distribution.

I suppose Mumsnet is a reflection of society in general and some people have become less polite, less aware of others, less patient etc. There is still a lot of good out there though and my teens and adults are a lot nicer and more supportive to each other than my generation were. And there is still a lot of good on Mumsnet, especially if you avoid AIBU and post on specific boards.

I have been on here forever and have learned a lot from other posters when my dc were babies and toddlers right through to the teenage years. And there is still very intelligent debate on the politics and feminist boards. And great travel advice! I have great affection for the place! And I think it receives a lot of criticism for a board which is free to use.

Most of all though, I think Mumsnet provides a very important space where women’s voices can still be heard and if we want to maintain it as such, we need to be brave enough to call out the nastiness.

Above all, I think the right wing press has been a malign, pervasive influence on British society - spreading division, fear, black & white thinking - and I think you can see its influence here on Mumsnet unfortunately.

So much nastiness on AIBU threads today. I’ve seen at least 4 where I’ve thought wow at the comments

But surely this is the natural consequence of a site with many million different users.

I seems odd to me that people complain that they get different responses to the same question, as if Mumsnet were one person who keeps changing her mind. But really it's thousands of people, each with a different opinion.

So, for example, in the joint/separate finances situation mentioned upthread, some people feel that it's better to have joint finances and others feel separate is better. OK, some people make their arguments a bit too forcefully, but we're not all experienced debaters.

It's not one person 'gaslighting'; it's just different people having different opinions.

Disclaimer - I have absolutely zero proof that MN have new mods, it's just a guess based on changes to moderation that I've witnessed

I'll probably get banned for saying this but I think MNHQ have some new mods who are failing the forum, massively. Sorry but that's just my guess & my opinion