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Smokedcheesyballs · 13/06/2024 18:47

I work in a small environment and on Monday one colleague came in saying she had Covid. She did not look well and said she felt awful. A few of the staff felt that it was unethical that she was in work and potentially spreading a highly contagious virus. She did not wear a face mask.
On Tuesday I came home feeling unwell so did a test and it was positive. I have been feeling terrible and not been in work. I get the impression my boss thinks I'm slacking but I don't think I should be in.
To make matters worse I have now passed Covid onto my husband who is a very vunerable patient (has neuroendocrine cancer).
Basically am trying to ask AIBU thinking that said colleague should not have been a martyr (not sure if correct use of the word) by coming into work not to let the boss down???, and in doing so unnecessarily spreading the virus?|

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ASighMadeOfStone · 16/06/2024 09:06

CharlotteBog · 16/06/2024 08:45

The reaction to a global pandemic caused by an unknown virus was not hysteria.
Scientists worked hard to find its etiology, who were most vulnerable, how to treat those infected and to develop a vaccine.
Hindsight has of course taught us many lessons which will be taken into the next pandemic.

Now the pandemic is over and we know more about it, we can "live with the virus".
People who are vulnerable or are in contact with the vulnerable are still testing.

It's no good being sensible with that one.
COVID denier and anti-vaxxer since 2020.
Best just to ignore.

CharlotteBog · 16/06/2024 08:45

amylou8 · 13/06/2024 19:07

Thankfully we're past the covid hysteria, but I think if you've got anything infectious you should keep your germs to yourself wherever possible. If your boss is giving you a hard time for not coming in, I can see why your colleague may have dragged herself to work.

The reaction to a global pandemic caused by an unknown virus was not hysteria.
Scientists worked hard to find its etiology, who were most vulnerable, how to treat those infected and to develop a vaccine.
Hindsight has of course taught us many lessons which will be taken into the next pandemic.

Now the pandemic is over and we know more about it, we can "live with the virus".
People who are vulnerable or are in contact with the vulnerable are still testing.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 16/06/2024 00:53

I didn’t know that,@DaizyDee - that is shocking.

WrinklyScrotum · 15/06/2024 23:28

Seriously, it’s everywhere at the moment. You could just have easily have caught it from anyone else.

DaizyDee · 15/06/2024 23:04

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius
"Now I know that long covid is not common, "
Actually it's very common. Roughly 2 million have it in the UK. That's one in just over 30 people. That's a massive amount! And as you say, can affect literally anyone

Auburngal · 15/06/2024 21:26

My employer did pay full sick pay for colleagues if they were tested positive or been asked to self isolate. Plus didn’t count towards sickness % or times. This stopped 2 years ago.

Auburngal · 15/06/2024 21:23

I believe you got Covid from another person as it takes 5-6 days from contact to becoming unwell. Shopping? Eating out? You may not never know.

With my employer and many others there is a sickness policy where if you hit a certain % or three separate periods of sickness, you get a disciplinary. Those who are on their second or know that the next time they are on the sick, they try to be a martyr. As don’t want the stress of a disciplinary meeting etc. Those who have a medical condition, they are more lenient or if had time off for something serious such as broken bones. But have to go through the disciplinary just to tick boxes for HR to show that management did follow protocol.

Plus for some people they only get SSP as not worked long enough for the employer or company does not pay sick pay. SSP is £116 a week.

Most people don’t test anymore as refuse to pay for tests.

Carock · 15/06/2024 21:10

theowlwhisperer · 15/06/2024 17:02

Why did your colleague bother to test in the first place, that's stupid.

In an ideal world, covid or not, people should be able to stay home when they are unwell. In real life, it's not possible.

testing isn’t stupid. I test. I’m not going to compromise my vulnerable colleagues health, or her very old aged mother.

to echo the poster a few comments previous, your test wouldn’t show positive after being in contact with someone less than 24 hours previous. In every case I’ve had, it’s taken at least 2 days minimum but 3 at the most. I have the pain of teaching adults who seem to not care if they are showing symptoms. I’m glad their class seems to be more important than the health of myself and my vulnerable child, and my self employed income.🙄

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 15/06/2024 21:02

Really sorry to see your story there @SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius
I hope that things will eventually get better for you .

Silvers11 · 15/06/2024 19:27

@Smokedcheesyballs so sorry you have got Covid and passed it to your DH - and yes if your colleague felt so unwell, she should probably have stayed home, but she didn't break the law and it might have been because she couldn't afford to stay off or a number of other reasons. However, as she knew she had Covid, it was very selfish of her, regardless

However, it is much more likely that both you and your colleague contracted it from someone else with Covid, rather than that you got it from her to be fair. Usually takes around 3 days or so to come down with the symptoms - not around 24 hours. Lots of people can have it and not know, unfortunately. I was one a year ago who had almost no symptoms at all and the minor stuffed nose I had for less than 24 hours I thought was just my allergies. Only tested because my husband had developed a dreadful head cold/cough and I was contacted by someone I had spent a couple of days with on our way from home for a funeral who said she had covid.

I hope your DH can get anti-virals since he is clinically extra vulnerable

Willyoujustbequiet · 15/06/2024 18:55

DaizyDee · 15/06/2024 16:18

The people on this thread saying Covid is nbd are delusional. I have Long Covid and it has ruined my life. It is not a rare outcome, in fact 2 million people have it in the UK alone. And people with compromised immune systems like cancer patients can be seriously affected. Someone coming into work knowing they're positive is disgusting. And not even bothering to wear a mask? I don't know what's happened to people in the past couple of years. Caring about other people just seems to be a thing of the past.

This.

I think it's incredibly selfish to knowingly expose others to illness, whether it be covid or something else.

ShowerOfShites · 15/06/2024 18:54

Drivingmissmarigold · 15/06/2024 18:26

You didn't get COVID from your colleague. Minimum 2 days after exposure before symptoms (average of 5) and definitely wouldn't test positive within 1 day!

This is also true!

ShowerOfShites · 15/06/2024 18:53

Depends on the work policy OP.

If we have Covid and we're well enough to work, we have to go in.

Same as any other illness.

Eeeden · 15/06/2024 18:51

Lockdown is over.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/06/2024 18:43

DelythBeautyQueen · 15/06/2024 17:43

Yes I have read the thread and I am aware that a small number of very vulnerable people still get very ill and die from covid. Those people who are at risk know who they are. It's for them to decide how they want to manage that risk. Most of the ones I know are happy that normal life has resumed.

I have health issues that potentially make me vulnerable to severe covid and suffer from long covid. I do not expect anyone to restrict their lives for me.

We can't insist on healthy people isolating.

I am aware of and have accepted what's going on in the real world. People are not testing any more. There are no longer restrictions in place. Covid is a mild illness for the vast majority of people. Employers, not unreasonably in my opinion, expect their staff to turn up and do the job they are paid for unless they are too sick to do so.

That's how it is now. It can't be changed because some people would like to see covid restrictions in place forever.

Edited

Like a previous poster, I have Long Covid - I had covid in the second wave, and was hospitalised with low oxygen sats. I wasn’t ventilated and didn’t need intensive care - in fact, I didn’t really feel particularly unwell - I’ve had colds that made me far more miserable. But none of these colds have left me permanently affected, to the extent where I cannot stand for more than a few minutes - the length of a quick shower - I can’t walk any distance (walking from the loo back to the couch leaves me breathless), doing anything leaves me shaking with fatigue, and my brain is so foggy I find myself searching for simple words.

I wasn’t vulnerable, when I got Covid, or particularly unhealthy, but long covid has ruined my life, and even now, years on, the effects have not got any better - on bad days, I think they never will. I have reached the point of seriously considering applying for PIP and a blue badge, because I am pretty damn sure this evil disease has left me disabled.

Now I know that long covid is not common, but that isn’t the point I am making. What scares me is how bloody random it is - someone can be in reasonable health, and have a not-too-severe dose of covid, and can be crippled by long covid. I can’t think of another common, relatively mild illness that can so randomly cause long term disability in previously healthy individuals.

Drivingmissmarigold · 15/06/2024 18:26

You didn't get COVID from your colleague. Minimum 2 days after exposure before symptoms (average of 5) and definitely wouldn't test positive within 1 day!

S0livagant · 15/06/2024 18:22

IBegYourBiggestPardon · 15/06/2024 18:13

@S0livagant the first time I had covid I had no choice but to take 10 days unpaid off work. Well I suppose I could've gone into work, just not told anyone I had covid, and more than likely killed half the elderly and vulnerable people I looked after, but I'm not a selfish fucker so I took the loss of 10 days pay. This time when I had covid I was back at work after the 5 days incubation period. I still wore a face mask though when I went back.

I think you did the right thing. Someone else might not have that choice though.

5128gap · 15/06/2024 18:19

If you think your boss thinks you're slacking, sounds to me that that's where the blame lies. If you work within a culture like that then it's understandable your colleague felt the need to go into work so the boss didn't think she was slacking. No point blaming our colleagues if our employers create this sort of environment.

IBegYourBiggestPardon · 15/06/2024 18:13

@S0livagant the first time I had covid I had no choice but to take 10 days unpaid off work. Well I suppose I could've gone into work, just not told anyone I had covid, and more than likely killed half the elderly and vulnerable people I looked after, but I'm not a selfish fucker so I took the loss of 10 days pay. This time when I had covid I was back at work after the 5 days incubation period. I still wore a face mask though when I went back.

YellowAsteroid · 15/06/2024 18:06

YANBU. Your colleague is a selfish thoughtless person. She should at least have been wearing a mask.

I hope you are OK and I hope your DH doesn’t suffer - your colleague is so so selfish. I’d be very angry with her.

sprigatito · 15/06/2024 18:01

EasterIssland · 13/06/2024 18:54

I really doubt you got it from them. It takes more than a day to get ill. I hope your husband feels well and doesn’t have many symptoms. This is what the vaccines are for. So vulnerable people don’t get really affected.

im sorry but I’m going to say yabu. We are not in 2020 anymore

This is a really callous post. The vaccines don't and can't protect people with no immune system from communicable diseases; that's what common decency is for. Still, I suppose OP should just cross her fingers that her husband doesn't get wiped out by this entirely preventable infection.

It's not 2020, no. It's 2024, Covid is still very much out there killing people, and it's still incredibly selfish and stupid to spread it knowingly.

AmelieTaylor · 15/06/2024 18:01

@Boomer55

I am very sorry to hear about your husband and I'm sorry you have to read posts by some unfeeling & ignorant posters 💐

DelythBeautyQueen · 15/06/2024 17:59

PithyLion · 15/06/2024 17:46

It is not a small number off work with covid right now, it is a large number, and it isn't a small number at risk of serious illness, it is a large number ( and will be you one day) and again, even if it isn't covid, it could be flu, it could be measles, it could be something miner to you but devastating to the population if enough people get it at the same time....

if you are ill, stay home.

None of us is immortal you know. We're all going to die one day. Let's try to live without fear in the meantime. We cannot control the actions of others, it's exhausting and futile try. We can only control our own actions.

People who go to work with a bit of sniffles are not breaking the law and if they are well enough to work, their employer is entitled to expect them to do so.

There is no obligation to test for covid and - as far as I'm aware - there is no way for the general public to test for colds or 'flu, so most people wouldn't know what was causing their sniffles. It could easily be hayfever at this time of year.

However much you want it to happen, without legislation you can't force anyone to restrict their lives.

I hope you get well soon. At least you will have a boost of immunity for a while. ❤️

AmelieTaylor · 15/06/2024 17:54

GlitteryUnicornSparkles · 15/06/2024 17:21

Your colleague was unreasonable to test, especially if the test served no actual purpose.

My place of work has made it very clear you are not to test even if symptomatic and I work with vulnerable people. You are advised unless you are physically too unwell to attend work you should still come in. We also have a very restrictive absence policy. Based on this I’d have to be pretty sick to not turn in.

@GlitteryUnicornSparkles

that is a disgusting policy, but especially when you work with vulnerable people. Can you report them to a higher authority!!

AmelieTaylor · 15/06/2024 17:50

Ponderingwindow · 13/06/2024 18:58

My workplace bans people from coming into work sick for precisely this reason. It doesn’t have to be Covid, just any communicable illness and you have to stay home.

it’s better for keeping the workforce healthy, protects vulnerable employees, and it protects people with vulnerable family members. They basically have my undying loyalty because of this policy and the fact that I have a permanently vulnerable household member.

@Ponderingwindow

if only all workplaces were like that!!

However, I guess your employers trust the staff, many do not & with good reason.