That restaurants should know parmesan isn't vegetarian?

I only know a small local dairy to me well. When an older cow fails to calve, she is killed to sell for beef. This does not only benefit people buying the beef but also subsidises the cost of the dairy products for those who only buy dairy. Keeping cows that don't produce milk is not a financially viable alternative. They cost money to keep. Increasing the price of the dairy would mean losing customers. I pay £2.75 a litre for my milk. The dairy is calf at foot. How much more do you think people will pay to keep cows in happy retirement for years? Dairy cows are killed to subsidise dairy consumers.

@laylababe5 , why are you telling me what vegans are?
You keep switching between using vegan and vegetarian.
I am vegetarian - I used the vegetarian society's guidelines when working out what was OK to eat.

What's at issue with OP is that the restaurant doesn't seem to know that some of the ingredients are probably not suitable for vegetarians.

Whether OP wears leather shoes or not is irrelevant.

Edited to correct a typo.

Unless the dairy consumers are paying a price that enables a dairy business to be viable while losing the money from the beef and keeping cows fed, housed, and provided with veterinary care until their natural death, then they are just as responsible for slaughter as a meat consumer.

Vegetarians aren't bothered by animal welfare if they consume dairy and most eggs, it's not possible.

Because it’s become very diluted.
Back in the 80s in this country if you became a vegetarian for non religious reasons according to the Vegetarian Society vegetarians did not eat or use anything that was a result of killing or a bi product of killing.

So silk and leather are bi products and not used by vegetarians either.

There are now, it seems many versions of vegetarians but they are often related to religious or cultural adherence aswel.

I disagree.
But then I don’t believe in dictating to others how people wish to live their lives, everyone has a choice and whilst some choices I find upsetting….including plastic grass, gas guzzling cars, home heating at high temperatures, not walking enough, using aeroplanes, wearing clothes containing plastic, buying processed foods, building new ‘detached’ homes and garages, and killing animals for fun or food etc etc etc etc …………I don’t chose to dictate. Everyone has a choice and thank goodness some people chose to, in some small way, make sacrifices for the greater good whether that’s for the planet, humans or animal welfare.

I would also note I have no problem with animals becoming extinct. ( although my son would lose his job )
Why keep herds of animals going, so humans can gawp at them.
That is just as selfish and just as controlling.

Vegans don't use any animal products. Don't eat honey, no leather, silk, cotton. Even in all these posts Mumsnetters can't agree on what a vegetarian is.

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good point, especially as the restaurant clearly hasn’t got a clue !

@Demonhunter , I'm not against others eating meat. The cows probably end up as pet food or something.

@IAmNotASheep , I probably wouldn't go there because of the menu being so uninspiring.
If I went, I wouldn't have soup because not only do I not like soup, but it could have chicken stock in it.

@NeverEnoughPants if only called Parmesan or similar it can use non-animal rennet and is not subject to the same rules as Parmigiano Reggiano. Lots of Italian producers now making vegetarian Parmesan, for example:
https://www.belgioioso.com/foodservice/p/1-24-lb-vegetarian-parmesan-whole-wheel/

or these:
https://www.albionfinefoods.com/parmesan/c/21

ocado do sell some veggie hard cheeses too.

@SpikyCoconut I’m not a chef and I’m not veggie but if I ran a restaurant then I’d make sure I knew what I was serving my customers and they could be confident in my labels. I buy veggie cheeses because I don’t see why animal products in cheese is needed.

Point being, if there was no need for dairy cows (which you're all conveniently ignoring what happens to them to produce the milk) there wouldn't be a mass amount of retired dairy cows with no means to let them all live out a long life, not that many would as their health is so damaged by the torture they endure to produce the milk.

Cows, like other animals people deem unacceptable to eat, could live, in small herds and there could be funding to ensure this and prevent their extinction, without being used and abused in life before being slaughtered.

Vegetarians have no grounds to be on their moral high horse when they're adult humans happy to consume dairy knowing what the cows and their calves go through.

Why aren't they pushing for human breastmilk to be produced in the same way, instead of the insistence of milk of other species? Vegetarians consuming dairy obviously don't care about the lives of the animals really, do they?

You pointed out meat eaters are using up a bi product of a vegetarian diet. Cows are not a bi product and do not need to be slaughtered because they are not producing milk. With that thought alone we’d all be killing everything that was passed it’s prime or not useful to society. We don’t do this though, do we!

or rather we do, just to animals
So the only reason dairy cows are killed is to feed meat eaters.

The best scenario of course is to not have cows milk at all. Then there would be no need for retired dairy cows to live out their retirement on pastures green and no need for cows at all really.

Plus the part removed is often the protein so technically you are eating a vegetable dish, not a balanced vegetarian dish.
Not to mention flavour. If a dish is formulated relying on the flavour of some animal and that animal is removed nothing is put back to enhance the flavour.

It’s pure Ill thought out laziness and should not be a modus operandi in a restaurant.

And where do you think all the dairy cows ACTUALLY go? Where are all the retired cows meant to go to retire, you realise how many there are to produce milk for humans.

They actually go to slaughter, after being kept captive, forcibly inpregnated, had their newborns removed and often slaughtered within days and then forced to produce milk by machines for human consumption. That's the vegetarians choice isn't it, to be complicit in that.

What has that got to do with the responsibility of a restaurant to label food correctly ?

Vegetarians do not eat anything that comes from the murder of animals. Although there are different types of vegetarians ……some will not wear leather , drink milk, eat dairy, eat eggs and so forth

The dairy cow, technically, once no longer producing milk could be left for a happy retirement in a lovely field with other cows and well cared for.

The cow, however is slaughtered to feed meat eaters.
Thats not a vegetarians choice it’s the farmers and the meat eaters.

Ok, to be more precise then, cows are slaughtered for meat when they're deemed redundant in producing milk for their offspring which instead you want. So you use the cow while she's alive and meat eaters use her in death.

You might also want to ask if that pesto is vegetarian as pesto contains Parmesan !

Ooop!
Thanks, no I just looked at the menus on the main page.

Still crap isn’t it.
A lot of people don’t like strong cheese ie goats or blue, myself included.
So I’d be stuck with one thing to eat ie the roasted veg…..🤣🤣 no Parmesan.
oo and lots of soup of the day!

This is the sort of meat fest restaurant pandering to the odd vegetarian in the group….without knowing what vegetarians can eat obviously.

Id email them and ask them to clarify ingredients

@IAmNotASheep , are you looking at the vegetarian menu?
Vegetarian Menu – 315 Bar and Restaurant, Lepton, Huddersfield

Just looked at the menu OP
Why would a vegetarian eat at this place unless they want three courses of soup of the day.
This is one of the worst menus I’ve seen in a long time!

The point of the post is the incorrect labelling. Chefs cannot do whatever they like when they are labelling foods for certain diets. Imagine a meal stating it didn’t contain nuts when it did and someone dies.
Restaurants and chefs have a duty of care to their customers.

Not quite
Its still protected

That’s veganism, not vegetarianism

Louds of restaurants haven’t got a clue.
Vegetarian since 1980 and it’s exhausting especially as most now declare which food is vegetarian only to get it wrong.

Jamie Oliver restaurant a few years back had a desert marked as vegetarian that had gelatine in.
I was surprised to see Pannacota on the menu labelled as vegetarian. I queried it with the waiter who went to ask the chef. He came back and said the chef didn’t know the ingredients as it is delivered in powdered form!
I made a formal complaint in writing and it suddenly disappeared from their online menu.
So NOT vegetarian then.

Dont trust the labelling on menus……. Ever.