That restaurants should know parmesan isn't vegetarian?

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That's a useful website, thought I'd add the link.

https://www.cowcalfdairies.co.uk/directory

Looks like a few deliver nationwide. A friend also buys milk fortnightly and freezes it. Other dairies like this one are not strictly calf at foot but do not separate newborns and keep at least some retired cows on farm. https://www.theladiesorganickefir.co.uk/our-ladies-and-calves

And here’s the location of calf at foot dairies for those who are interested.
They don’t all deliver unfortunately

They'd have already moved to buying milk and other dairy from high welfare, calf at foot dairies if they were willing to pay more. You'd see no vegetarians buying cheap supermarket dairy. Many customers of my local dairy are omnivores, yet willing to pay for higher welfare.

Well said.
Dictating your beliefs and shaming people for their choices just gives vegans and vegetarians a bad name!

I doubt vegetarians would have a problem with paying a lot more for dairy products in order to care for animals in their retirement. Most people that consume dairy are meat eaters so I doubt they’ll pay the extra.

Highly unlikely. Most cars do not have leather seats

I can agree with you on that. I think free from should 100% be a case being no danger that any ingredient has been hidden and no cross contamination was possible. My friend has a severe allergy (requiring epipen) to certain seeds and has to be so careful in case there has been the slightest cross contamination. I see places being very lax when it comes to gluten too, not understanding the damage it can do.

@Demonhunter , my concern is more that something is described as being free from something.

I know 2 people with severe allergies. If you've seen a friend have an anaphylactic reaction to an ingredient, it sharpens your focus.

It's really strange that people get so upset by what other people do or don't eat! I'm veggie for the same reason.

The only thing that should be talked about in this thread is about the incorrect labelling in the restaurant. Of course labelling should be correct.

Remember the outcry with the horse meat scandal years ago, when things that should have been beef turned out to be horse? People were absolutely up in arms about it. As I said before, personally I think if you eat meat, it shouldn't really matter what animal it comes from, but that isn't the point. The point is that something was labelled as beef, and therefore it should have been beef, and not some other random meat.

I haven't seen anyone on here claiming to be superior because they're vegetarian as was mentioned a few posts back. I'm certainly not, and never try and impose my particular beliefs on anyone. I just want something that is vegetarian to actually be vegetarian. It doesn't matter if people agree or disagree with vegetarians, think they're hypocrites etc etc. But labels should be correct. It can be dangerous when they're not, especially for people that don't eat meat or dairy for allergy/intolerance reasons rather than any other reason.

I think it's really sad that these threads always become so aggressive towards people who have chosen to be vegetarian or vegan for whatever reason. There's just no need. I've been vegetarian for 40 years, and have two happy meat eating grown up children, and a fully meat eating husband. I don't diss their choices, just like they don't diss mine. It's anybody's right to eat or not eat whatever they want, but people should be able to trust labelling to correct.

Oh ok, just you haven't once addressed the dairy industry issues, but have addreased everything else mentioned, so I thought you were having a morality check. That's OK if not.

@Demonhunter, I'm not showing moral despair at animal rennet. I don't want to eat it. If eating out, I'd like to be confident that a dish labelled as vegetarian is actually vegetarian.

I sometimes eat out with colleagues. Some are vegetarian, or select a vegetarian dish, for religious reasons, so the rennet would be an issue.

I'm a vegetarian because I don't want to eat animals. There's nothing to prick my conscience.

@laylababe5 , I'm fine with the standard definition, thanks.

I just like to amuse myself with vegetarian hypocrisy. Whining about rennet when clad head to foot in leather, etc. Probably drove there in a car with leather seats. Bwah ha ha

P.s. you may already know this but the nearby Kaye Arms take the vegetarian and vegan options seriously. Their sausage and mash is beautiful

I live in Wakefield but have never visited this restaurant for that exact reason! You are not in the slightest bit unreasonable

I really don't see why there is a need to get angry because some people chose not to eat animals, or others chose not to eat any animal products.

Bizarre

That's what I'm saying! What's acceptable for some vegetarians is not acceptable for others, ergo parmesan may be ok with some people who consider themselves vegetarian. The OP is asking if a restaurant should know that parmesan is not vegetarian, I'm pointing out that some vegetarians may be ok with eating it.

I'm not talking about the OP, I'm saying what people understand to be vegetarian can be very different.

I agree a lot of meat eaters do this and vegans are ripped down by them as well as being ripped down by vegetarians, blaming vegans for restaurants not serving them meat free and dairy together.

Put of everyone really, the vegetarians are the biggest hypocrites. It could be argued that at least meat eaters are using up the bodies of cows and chickens after they've been deemed useless for dairy and egg production and thrown away by the dairy and egg eaters after their lifetime of abuse and torture.

Vegetarians who are so because of allergy or textural and taste reasons, and don't have anything to say about animal welfare in the food industry are different of course.

As I said in an earlier post, generally I'm not, but when I see high horse dairy eating vegetarians, showing moral despair at rennet, and acting like they're superior to meat eaters, because they only abuse the animals for their wants while they're alive, not while they're being slaughtered, that's when I pipe up. If what I said is pricking your conscience 🤷‍♀️

I agree, can always call and double check that the Parmesan is one of the vegetarian Parmesans instead of traditional Parmesan.

I don’t think it would be unreasonable to get in touch and ask and also it would be educating them if they are serving non vegetarian food as vegetarian.

These threads always go the same way, and it's really sad.

Of course restaurants should have the correct labelling for dishes, so people can trust the labelling and make an informed choice about what they're eating.

There is an official definition of what a vegetarian is, and eating parmesan with animal rennet in it doesn't fit within that definition. The problem with people calling themselves vegetarian, but then eating gelatine, or rennet, or fish, or even chicken (yep, there are some people out there who call themselves veggie but eat chicken!) is that that then people/restaurants think that this is what all veggies eat, when of course they don't. It's less common now, but does still happen, where a fish dish is labelled as vegetarian. Great if you're pescatarian, but not if you're veggie!

It doesn't matter whether you think vegetarians are the worse people in the world for daring to eat dairy. You're allowed to have that opinion, just as vegetarians are allowed to have their opinion that they're happy to do it, as per the actual definition of what being a vegetarian is.

No-one is saying restaurants have to cater for vegetarians and vegans, of course they don't. But most restaurants understand it's in their interest to, as it's pretty common to have a veggie/vegan/flexitarian/dairy allergy (etc etc) person in a party of people eating food, so they clearly want to cater for that in order that they don't lose any business. And that's great if they make that decision, but the people coming up with the menus/cooking the food should have enough knowledge to ensure that the things they are claiming are vegetarian (or vegan etc) are actually what they say they are.

I would never criticize anyone for what they choose to eat - if someone wants to eat meat and fish that's entirely up to them. I do find it odd when people eat meat but 'won't eat lamb because they're cute', or turn their nose up at venison because 'I can't eat Bambi', or think it's weird to eat things pigeon or rabbit etc (I don't really understand why it's fine to eat one kind of animal, but not another). However, I would never say this out loud to them, and respect everyone's individual opinion to eat whatever they like (or don't!). Unfortunately, people tend to not be so respectful back, and try to enforce their opinions on people who are veggie and vegan about how it's so terrible. I have NEVER encountered a veggie or vegan trying to enforce their views on anyone, but plenty of meat eaters who do. It's like they're personally affronted at someone not wanting to eat dead flesh, it's very bizarre.

So, eat what you like, but remember that there are definitions of vegetarian and vegan, and that it really isn't unreasonable to expect supermarkets/restaurants/catering etc to ensure that food they're offering that is labelled as such should actually be correct.

The term Parmagiano Reggiano is protected.

The term Parmesan is only protected in the EU. As I said.

@Demonhunter , you seem to be the one on a 'moral high horse' here.