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Would you let your child do this or am I over the top?

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KrustyBurger · 13/06/2024 05:55

Currently on holiday in the USA. We are staying at a Marriott so not a motel type set up.

Husband asked our daughter who is 12 to run some rubbish down to the bin next to the lift, she would have to go past about 12 room doors (6 each side).

I said no, il do it as you never know who’s in the rooms and it only takes 5 seconds for someone to open the door and yank her in and you wouldn’t even know which room it is or where she is.

Husband said ok but gave me a strange glance.

Was I being over the top? Or would other parents do the same. It’s nearly 10pm at night here.

Husband's a bit of a clean freak and our bin is full hence not just leaving it.

OP posts:
PainOngoing · 13/06/2024 15:21

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 15:10

I know I did as it is a ludicrous request as those banging on about it fully know that no such data exists, it doesn’t mean hotel crime doesn’t exist. Bang on about helicopter parenting and anxiety all you like but a) it isn’t that and b)lots of anxiety
will arise from being confronted with unsavoury people and their actions and not having a flipping clue they existed as their delusional parents think everyone has led as charmed a life as them and are reasonable and nice!

If you do it properly, this "relaxed parenting" you're talking about involves making your child aware of the risks so that they can make proper judgements. We're not advocating sending a child out in the world unequipped with the tools they need to navigate it. You tell your child that bad people exist, what to do in the event they come across such a person, and you send them out in the world in situations that are age-appropriate. The OP is talking about a 12 year old walking down a hotel corridor by herself, if you want to stand at the door and watch her do it then crack on, but if you tell her she can't go in case someone comes out and grabs her, what message is that giving her?!

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 15:18

Throwingpots · 13/06/2024 15:15

I know you’re not, I was answering the op. Or at least I thought I was 😂

Apologies, I’d mentioned my DDs Independence locally.

Sunmoonstars9 · 13/06/2024 15:17

mswales · 13/06/2024 15:10

I'm so confused by what being in a foreign country has to do with the relative safety of this act or not.....?

I think the fact OP mentioned there was a beware human trafficking notice on the wall says it all. It's understandable we are more confident on home ground although the same precautions should always be taken regardless.

DelilahBucket · 13/06/2024 15:15

OP: am I being unreasonable MNers?
99% of the MNers: YES a thousand times!
OP: well I'm not so I will argue with you until I'm blue in the face.

Why even ask in the first place? Did you think everyone would agree with you and then you could show your DH and go "see, told you I was right"?

Throwingpots · 13/06/2024 15:15

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 15:11

Who are you talking to, I’m not the OP.

I know you’re not, I was answering the op. Or at least I thought I was 😂

OperationPushkin · 13/06/2024 15:15

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 15:11

Who are you talking to, I’m not the OP.

What makes you think that @Throwingpotsis talking to you? She's obviously addressing the OP.

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 15:11

Throwingpots · 13/06/2024 15:10

Find it slightly off that your daughter has much more freedom in the UK, but being abroad means it’s a no. Foreigners are just people, good and bad like us in the UK.
Also, for goodness sake, you are being unnecessarily paranoid.

Who are you talking to, I’m not the OP.

mswales · 13/06/2024 15:10

I'm so confused by what being in a foreign country has to do with the relative safety of this act or not.....?

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 15:10

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 13/06/2024 15:03

Er you literally did say "ludicrous request"....

And it's a widely held thing online that if YOU make claims YOU provide the data, you don't tell others to go look it up

I know I did as it is a ludicrous request as those banging on about it fully know that no such data exists, it doesn’t mean hotel crime doesn’t exist. Bang on about helicopter parenting and anxiety all you like but a) it isn’t that and b)lots of anxiety
will arise from being confronted with unsavoury people and their actions and not having a flipping clue they existed as their delusional parents think everyone has led as charmed a life as them and are reasonable and nice!

Throwingpots · 13/06/2024 15:10

Find it slightly off that your daughter has much more freedom in the UK, but being abroad means it’s a no. Foreigners are just people, good and bad like us in the UK.
Also, for goodness sake, you are being unnecessarily paranoid.

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 15:05

MsMarch · 13/06/2024 14:52

@goldenbear - but that's more poor assessment. We can agree that hotels are not 100% risk free. But even you agree that the liklihood of abduction in this super short period in a corridor is unlikely so applying the same approach to mitigate against other risks to this specific risk is totally irrational.

eg, I personally wouldn't leave a relatively young child or teenager in a hotel room overnight. I've been in hotels when there's a fire alarm in the night, for example, and a child would struggle to navigate this. But that doesn't mean I can't allow a 12 year old to walk from the room to the pool at 11am because the risk factors here are completely different.

I never ever mentioned child abduction, it is those convinced that their relaxed parenting is superior who have jumped on that line. Some ludicrous suggestion was for me to go away and back up this argument, your argument (not mine) so to be clear those discussing child corridor abductions with data on how likely this was. Sorry but why would I find data to support your argument, you go and find it. I am arguing that I wouldn’t risk my child coming across any hotel crime but those intent for example on sexual assault so sexual predators- no I wouldn’t want them coming across those people and unfortunately bad people exist, I’m sorry to tell you and others this as evidently you have never had that displeasure.

OperationPushkin · 13/06/2024 15:05

Having overprotective parents has been shown to be linked to anxiety and depression in children and teenagers. It is a huge problem and it is only growing larger. That doesn't mean that we should go to the other extreme of no supervision whatsoever. No one is suggesting allowing a 3-year-old to roam freely through the city. A middle ground is necessary, in which children are given increasing levels of freedom and opportunities to develop essential skills. That involves a degree of risk taking. Sometimes people hear the word "risk" and panic. But equipping your children with the tools of how to assess risks properly and providing them with the time and space to do so will only help them in the long run.

DizzyBumble · 13/06/2024 15:04

you would know which room she was in as most hotels have cameras covering the corridors

Saracen · 13/06/2024 15:04

What you're imagining seems exceptionally unlikely. So unlikely that it isn't even worth thinking about it. let alone changing your behaviour.

I don't understand the reasoning of "no matter how small the risk, it's better avoided". If you think that, won't it mean you never do anything at all, never let your child go out in the rain in case she gets struck by lightning, never drive her to see her grandparents in case she dies in a car crash?

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 13/06/2024 15:03

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 14:56

Did I say that?

Bizarre that you have taken different opinion so personally and expect forensic data to back up my opinion like we were in a court of law, it is a chat forum, I’m chatting about my opinion. If you want stats and have time go and find them yourself.

Er you literally did say "ludicrous request"....

And it's a widely held thing online that if YOU make claims YOU provide the data, you don't tell others to go look it up

Sunmoonstars9 · 13/06/2024 15:02

G5000 · 13/06/2024 14:43

Do you really consider it needed and appropriate to take your pre-teens to toilet? If a 12yo is crying because they went to toilet alone, then this is most likely due to overprotective parents, who have held the child's hand until then.

In a huge strange bar on different levels full of people drinking, yes I would have no hesitation in accompanying a 10/12 yr old to the toilet. It's not 'taking' them, it's 'accompanying' them.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 13/06/2024 14:59

Data for hotel sexual assaults being up?

And is that:

Random people being dragged into rooms?
Drunks breaking into rooms?
People getting drunk at the hotel bar and being assaulted/returning to rooms?
People being brought back from elsewhere?
People being assaulted in the lift?

Alwayswonderedwhy · 13/06/2024 14:59

Wow. That is taking wrapping her in cotton wool to the extreme.

G5000 · 13/06/2024 14:58

At age 12 making them aware there are people in the world we should be wary of and not to take for granted everywhere they go is safe is teaching them common sense.

Absolutely. But that's not the way to do it. If you simply follow your child everywhere and ensure they never need to deal with any issues, this is not teaching them common sense. This teaches them that they don't need to have any sense, mummy is there to take care of everything.

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 14:56

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 13/06/2024 14:45

Ah

Calling someone out on their spelling (autocorrect sorry) sure makes you look better...

You say you work in the digital world and then called a data request ludicrous

You have no credibility

Did I say that?

Bizarre that you have taken different opinion so personally and expect forensic data to back up my opinion like we were in a court of law, it is a chat forum, I’m chatting about my opinion. If you want stats and have time go and find them yourself.

ChinaBlueBell · 13/06/2024 14:53

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 14:18

Stop watching such programmes, it's making you unreasonable.

And stop telling people what to do.

Sunmoonstars9 · 13/06/2024 14:52

Happyorchidlady · 13/06/2024 14:39

At 12 I was flying to another country unsupervised. I’d have absolutely no issue with my daughter doing that.

I assume the child was accompanied to the airport, looked after by staff & met on the other side. A totally different & acceptable scenario.

MsMarch · 13/06/2024 14:52

@goldenbear - but that's more poor assessment. We can agree that hotels are not 100% risk free. But even you agree that the liklihood of abduction in this super short period in a corridor is unlikely so applying the same approach to mitigate against other risks to this specific risk is totally irrational.

eg, I personally wouldn't leave a relatively young child or teenager in a hotel room overnight. I've been in hotels when there's a fire alarm in the night, for example, and a child would struggle to navigate this. But that doesn't mean I can't allow a 12 year old to walk from the room to the pool at 11am because the risk factors here are completely different.

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 14:51

Magnastorm · 13/06/2024 14:36

This.

Not allowing your kids to do things independently such as this is far more harmful than wrapping them up in cotton wool because of completely invented risks.

Hotel sexual assaults have increased, how is it invented?

Age appropriate necessary risk is fine and normal, it doesn’t have any impact on your child at all. It is like cleaning up, I honestly don’t see why it matters. I didn’t have to do any chores, I did them anyway but wasn’t instructed to, I just was encouraged to be kind and to me being kind wasn’t letting my mum do everything around the house. My kids are similar, I don’t instruct them to do anything, they just do it or if they don’t I think there is plenty of time to learn how to carry out full housework: I’d rather my kids had fun whilst they are young. Housework isn’t exactly hard to understand how to do and as an adult you often have no choice.

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