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Would you let your child do this or am I over the top?

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KrustyBurger · 13/06/2024 05:55

Currently on holiday in the USA. We are staying at a Marriott so not a motel type set up.

Husband asked our daughter who is 12 to run some rubbish down to the bin next to the lift, she would have to go past about 12 room doors (6 each side).

I said no, il do it as you never know who’s in the rooms and it only takes 5 seconds for someone to open the door and yank her in and you wouldn’t even know which room it is or where she is.

Husband said ok but gave me a strange glance.

Was I being over the top? Or would other parents do the same. It’s nearly 10pm at night here.

Husband's a bit of a clean freak and our bin is full hence not just leaving it.

OP posts:
Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:51

LimeandCourgette · 13/06/2024 18:48

I didn't say I worked in the Hilton or the Holiday Inn, nor did I make reference to the USA. There's a lot more out there than a mid price chain.
I'm really not a fan of statistics either. Too many people use them to twist the narrative.

I was asked for statistics, I quite agree with you but not for the same reasons, for the fact that this is a chat forum not an academic paper.

Your experience working in a hotel at 14 in the UK years ago is not really what I’m referring to as it isn’t relevant to this situation today.

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:51

@Goldenbear is calling you neurotic, calling you a name GrinGrinGrin!

I don't think so, it's stating my feelings of your behaviour! Which I stand by.

You are being neurotic.

poetryandwine · 13/06/2024 18:49

Gabby82 · 13/06/2024 17:52

I would probably let my 12 year old do it, but it's not unreasonable to say the US (or most countries actually) are less safe than the UK. Its a fact: www.datapandas.org/ranking/murder-rate-by-country

I don't think it's over the top to avoid the risk. I also don't think Madeline Mcann's parents made the right risk assessment in a 'safe' family complex. But hindsight is just that so you have to go with you instinct.

Again, OP - you emphasised being in a foreign country. To go by the linked table above - thank you, @Gabby82 - the murder rate in the US is just over 4x the murder rate in the UK.

But the murder rate in the UK is over 7x the murder rate in Singapore. Citizens of all three nations generally speak excellent English, so there is no language barrier. Would you let your DD do the chore as described in a proper hotel in a proper British city? Why or why not? Would you understand citizens of Singapore being terrified for the safety of their 12 year olds here, as you are for your DD in America?

SmudgeButt · 13/06/2024 18:49

Open the door, lounge about while daughter runs the trash to the bin. And back. All under your supervision.

But yes a bit OTT in my opinion.

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:49

Also, as you have declared that I can’t post anymore, why do you keep asking me questions?

LimeandCourgette · 13/06/2024 18:48

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:20

I didn’t say you didn’t work at 14 or that the law prohibited it as I had a paper round, I was curious as to how you landed a job in the Hilton or Holiday Inn at the age. And seen as it was years ago and the UK not really relevant to the increase in Lawsuits in US chains with all sorts of crimes but sexual assault from predators, strangers not just people that are known to each other.

I didn't say I worked in the Hilton or the Holiday Inn, nor did I make reference to the USA. There's a lot more out there than a mid price chain.
I'm really not a fan of statistics either. Too many people use them to twist the narrative.

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:48

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:44

@Goldenbear who has called you a name?

Stop making stuff up!

You posted that I was neurotic. That is like me suggesting you are neglectful.

Im afraid I don’t agree with you and other posters and guess what, you’ll have to accept that as this isn’t a place to come if you don’t want people to disagree with you!

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:44

@Goldenbear who has called you a name?

Stop making stuff up!

Gwenhwyfar · 13/06/2024 18:43

I was walking with friends in a city in a foreign country on a school trip at 12.
Is your daughter allowed to go anywhere on her own?

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:41

Overthebs · 13/06/2024 08:29

I’d generally see it the same, I wouldn’t let any young children go out of my sight on holiday .. so why’s that any different? It takes a second for a someone to grab a child.. so I don’t think you’re unreasonable. The chances are obviously quite low in a motel with only a few others around but if you wouldn’t let your 3 year old go out of your sight why a 12 year old? They’re still young!

GrinGrin

And this is the issue! Three year olds and 12 year old being treated the same and parents "can't see the issue"!

🤦‍♀️

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:38

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:34

@Goldenbear of course you're "permitted", but surely you've got other things to do, like making sure your children are really fully protected and doing everything for them.

You must be exhausted!

What, absolutely bizarre level of remote control you are trying to administer over people. I have teenagers, how much involvement do you think they require, ones nearly an adult doing his own thing as is right and age appropriate.

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:36

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:30

Agreed and making their children mini versions of themselves.

Anxious and scared of everything.

I have a 17 year old DS he is absolutely fine and typical for his age as is my 12 year old, he certainly knows how to debate a point without name calling. If you have children I hope you teach them how to put their argument across without the need to belittle others as it doesn’t look or sound very bright.

bluewaxcrayon · 13/06/2024 18:34

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:24

I think if taking the risk doesn’t really impact you negatively what’s the point in taking it- it doesn’t make any odds if the OP’s child does this, does it?

Your extreme anxiety would impact your own child

It's not even a risk! I mean, if you were unlucky an earthquake separated you , blocking the corridor and a hord of zombie attacking maybe.

Reminds me of that episode of Friends where Rachel locks her baby in their flat 😂

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:34

@Goldenbear of course you're "permitted", but surely you've got other things to do, like making sure your children are really fully protected and doing everything for them.

You must be exhausted!

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:31

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:25

@Goldenbear you're coming across quite neurotic and obtuse.

I think everyone has heard enough from you now.

I think we know your views.

So I am not permitted to respond to posts referencing my name because you have declared it enough - perhaps report my posts then, then again I don’t think you can report for people disagreeing with you or number of times posting.

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:30

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 13/06/2024 18:28

Honestly some of you need psychiatric help.

I can't imagine living with the level of fear and paranoia experienced by some of you.

Agreed and making their children mini versions of themselves.

Anxious and scared of everything.

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 13/06/2024 18:28

Honestly some of you need psychiatric help.

I can't imagine living with the level of fear and paranoia experienced by some of you.

Ponderingwindow · 13/06/2024 18:28

12 is when I started having my dd navigate hotels. Not only did she take trash to the bin, she took the elevator to the front desk, went to breakfast, and went to the front door to return or retrieve a cart.

it helps that she has a cell phone that I can track in her pocket

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:26

I think if taking the risk doesn’t really impact you negatively what’s the point in taking it- it doesn’t make any odds if the OP’s child does this, does it?

It impacts the child by making them anxious, which carries on to making them scared of everything as MN proves, time and again.

Blarneytalk · 13/06/2024 18:25

@Goldenbear you're coming across quite neurotic and obtuse.

I think everyone has heard enough from you now.

I think we know your views.

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:24

bluewaxcrayon · 13/06/2024 18:09

sadly, we live in a world where a UK kid got snatched from her own bathroom, terrorists blow up school kids and the list of horrific stories goes on.

If you really believe the tiny lock on your hotel room is enough to keep you safe, you are the naive one.

Where do you stop?

I think if taking the risk doesn’t really impact you negatively what’s the point in taking it- it doesn’t make any odds if the OP’s child does this, does it?

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:20

LimeandCourgette · 13/06/2024 18:12

I've just taken this from the UK government website.

Part-time work
The youngest age a child can work part-time is 13.

It's not unusual to have a part time job when you're at school. Particularly if your parents don't have much money to spare. Plus it teaches you all sorts of life skills like independence.

I didn’t say you didn’t work at 14 or that the law prohibited it as I had a paper round, I was curious as to how you landed a job in the Hilton or Holiday Inn at the age. And seen as it was years ago and the UK not really relevant to the increase in Lawsuits in US chains with all sorts of crimes but sexual assault from predators, strangers not just people that are known to each other.

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 18:16

LordSnot · 13/06/2024 18:02

Ah yes, the naive people who live in that incredibly rare bubble where people aren't randomly snatched from 30 seconds in a corridor of a Marriott Hotel. Those people don't know how unusual and privileged they are.

No, more like the exceptionally chirpy that reek of naivety and believe that every other human they interact with deliberates and is angst ridden over issues such as ‘parenting styles’!

As an aside, please point out where I argued that the abduction was the thing to be concerned by - no need to read it all, I didn’t!

LimeandCourgette · 13/06/2024 18:12

Goldenbear · 13/06/2024 17:57

I only asked about the location as the data about sexual assault lawsuits for chain hotels has increased in the U.S in the last two years, I don’t know where you worked at 14 in the UK but that is very young so I doubt it was the Holiday Inn. My Mum is mid 70s and even she didn’t start working in a shop until she was 15 so yes, that is quite surprising.

Of course I don’t know anything about you or you me but yes, I don’t think your are referencing the same experiences as me in your decision making process as I think you would not come to the conclusions you have. Obviously, bad experiences vary in what they are though so they may not be relevant.

When I spoke about my job I was responding to your comments about online safety.

I've just taken this from the UK government website.

Part-time work
The youngest age a child can work part-time is 13.

It's not unusual to have a part time job when you're at school. Particularly if your parents don't have much money to spare. Plus it teaches you all sorts of life skills like independence.

BinkyBeaufort · 13/06/2024 18:11

Completely unjustified paranoia, seeing as you're asking.