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Eat your greens!

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sheoaouhra · 12/06/2024 14:22

really, what has happened to this old staple? It used to be taken for granted that greens would be offered and encouraged to be eaten every day. I just don't see this now - many children I know are going a week or more between mouthfuls of green, as far as I can see- surely it is well known that fresh greens are crucial for a balanced diet and good health?

please tell me your children and young people are eating greens!

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WitchyWay · 12/06/2024 16:16

I don't get the obsession to be honest. My kids won't eat most cooked vegetables. They will eat cucumber, tomatoes and raw carrots and not much beyond that. The occasional cob of corn.

Rather than cook vegetables to waste it, I add something (above) that they like and call it a day. They have lots of fruit throughout the day too.

Whilst of course, lots of vegetables would be ideal, most kids struggle with vegetables in their early years and gradually enjoy them more as they age.

More important, I think, is limiting sweet treats, too much salt, and processed food.

BouleDeSuif · 12/06/2024 16:12

I was made to sit at the table until I'd eaten everything, no matter how cold or slimy, and had my jaw held shut to make me swallow if I really didn't want to eat it.
That was my "no option."
My sister used to swallow things whole to get through meal times and she's still got issues with food over 40 years later.

My daughter eats carrots, apples, broccoli, beans, green beans. I'm not forcing her to eat anything she doesn't like. She has something fresh at every meal so I'm not worried really.

I eat anything from 5-10 fruits and/or veg a day.

Opinionwontchangeluv · 12/06/2024 16:12

Agree but children have junk food taste buds, I only started enjoying greens when in my mind 20s

BringMeSunshineAllDayLong · 12/06/2024 16:11

Revelatio · 12/06/2024 15:01

You might want to read this OP, greens aren’t essential, there are nations who don’t eat greens and are very healthy. My FIL doesn’t eat greens and he’s as fit as a fiddle, low cholesterol, minimal body fat - and he’s a medical professional!

My son also hates peas, I’ve tried everything. I can’t stand runner beans, my parents tried everything there too!!

https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/sep/22/dont-make-children-eat-greens

Not the best article as the life expectancy of the tribe mentioned is 45 so long term effects of poor diet not understood.

Lentilweaver · 12/06/2024 16:10

YellowHairband · 12/06/2024 16:03

What do people mean when they say they had no option? I didn't have the option not to eat veg because mouth was prised open, the food forced in, and then my mouth was held shut until I swallowed it.

Funnily enough, it did not instil in me a love of vegetables. Carrot still makes me gag at the memory of retching into my mouth while being forced to eat it.

I had resisted any other punishments or rewards, and when it comes down to it, physical force is the only real way to not give an option to not eat veg.

No physical force. Asian vegetarian diet. We ate veggies and lentils and rice at every meal at home. There was nothing else offered. Very occasionally we might have some pasta or noodles.

That's what I still eat, mostly. I like it.

sprigatito · 12/06/2024 16:09

sheoaouhra · 12/06/2024 14:54

very heartening to see so many parents do still consider it the norm, but slightly alarming that there are some on here prepared to admit they don't insist. I expect this has a lot to do with the obesity and diabetes crisis. You can't be very healthy without daily fresh greens, unless you are taking the same nutrients in a supplement or something

What would you like parents of kids with SEN, ARFID, sensory difficulties to do? Force it down their throats? If you knew even the bare minimum about parenting children with serious food issues, you'd know that dietitians commonly tell parents to feed children what they will eat, and not make the dining table a battleground.

Your post is tin-eared and patronising, and your attitude does nothing to combat the "obesity crisis". The only thing you will be achieving here is to make already stressed parents feel shit.

greengreyblue · 12/06/2024 16:08

Who says they’re not? Of course every one knows what they should be eating. My chn regularly ate green vegetables. I teach young chn at primary about healthy lifestyles and it’s interesting hearing what they eat. A popular dish is plain pasta with ketchup and nothing else!

AlwaysCloudyAtNoon · 12/06/2024 16:08

AlwaysCloudyAtNoon · 12/06/2024 15:32

The vomiting is true. I think you'll find alot of SEN parents will have similar issues.

My mother once gave DS1 aged about 7 (and then non-verbal) a slice of banana and crowed to me 'see! I can get him to eat it'. At which point he projectile-vomited it back up all over the breakfast table. I had to hide my snigger.

He's under a dietary paediatrician and I am actually someone who used to have a job working with vulnerable families which included healthy cooking classes and he flipping baffles me. Grin

Oops I got it the wrong way round. He's under a paediatric dietician, not a dietary paediatrician. I'm very tired today and mis-typed. (And mis-thought).

Marmite27 · 12/06/2024 16:06

Mine like dark green lettuce. In a salad, on a sandwich or bagel. However if you were to ask them if they like spinach they’d say no.

Both like broccoli, peas, cabbage, green beans, Mangetout, sugar snap. we do ok on the green veg front tbh!

maw1681 · 12/06/2024 16:06

My kids eat most veg. There are things they don't like but I don't insist they eat them because taste buds develop as they get older and I just don't believe in forcing kids to eat (I do encourage trying one mouthful though).
I also think it's very important to see parents eating vegetables too so most days we eat dinner together.

Cosycover · 12/06/2024 16:04

sheoaouhra · 12/06/2024 14:54

very heartening to see so many parents do still consider it the norm, but slightly alarming that there are some on here prepared to admit they don't insist. I expect this has a lot to do with the obesity and diabetes crisis. You can't be very healthy without daily fresh greens, unless you are taking the same nutrients in a supplement or something

Ffs

YellowHairband · 12/06/2024 16:03

TammyOne · 12/06/2024 15:24

There was no option not to eat greens when I was growing up, so I ate them. There wasn't anything else to eat.
Same! Weirdly I knew no one with sensory issues or who would vomit instantly on eating vegetables. In a lot of cultures food is mostly vegetables.🤷🏼‍♀️
Cancer is massively on the rise and in younger people and I do think that it’s partly related to bad diets from childhood.

What do people mean when they say they had no option? I didn't have the option not to eat veg because mouth was prised open, the food forced in, and then my mouth was held shut until I swallowed it.

Funnily enough, it did not instil in me a love of vegetables. Carrot still makes me gag at the memory of retching into my mouth while being forced to eat it.

I had resisted any other punishments or rewards, and when it comes down to it, physical force is the only real way to not give an option to not eat veg.

AlwaysCloudyAtNoon · 12/06/2024 15:32

The vomiting is true. I think you'll find alot of SEN parents will have similar issues.

My mother once gave DS1 aged about 7 (and then non-verbal) a slice of banana and crowed to me 'see! I can get him to eat it'. At which point he projectile-vomited it back up all over the breakfast table. I had to hide my snigger.

He's under a dietary paediatrician and I am actually someone who used to have a job working with vulnerable families which included healthy cooking classes and he flipping baffles me. Grin

TammyOne · 12/06/2024 15:24

There was no option not to eat greens when I was growing up, so I ate them. There wasn't anything else to eat.
Same! Weirdly I knew no one with sensory issues or who would vomit instantly on eating vegetables. In a lot of cultures food is mostly vegetables.🤷🏼‍♀️
Cancer is massively on the rise and in younger people and I do think that it’s partly related to bad diets from childhood.

stepfordblanket · 12/06/2024 15:17

sheoaouhra · 12/06/2024 15:07

wow, this is a really very outdated and badly researched article. The "science" in it was already obsolete in 2013, when it was written, and it would not be published now. You need greens because of the omega 3 content, but the other source is fish, and the population referred to that doesn't eat greens, eats almost entirely fish, so that is why.

You omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids need to be in the right proportion and without greens they won't be, and this is why we are living through a crisis of obesity and diabetes, as well as many other health issues.

Bioavailability of omega 3 from veggies is lower than from animal sources (much like iron). You're better off taking a fish oil supplement than relying on plants for omega 3.

AngelDelightButNotStrawberry · 12/06/2024 15:12

I hope you’re talking about type 2, as a mum of a type 1 diabetic child, this immediately gets my back up.

sheoaouhra · 12/06/2024 15:07

Revelatio · 12/06/2024 15:01

You might want to read this OP, greens aren’t essential, there are nations who don’t eat greens and are very healthy. My FIL doesn’t eat greens and he’s as fit as a fiddle, low cholesterol, minimal body fat - and he’s a medical professional!

My son also hates peas, I’ve tried everything. I can’t stand runner beans, my parents tried everything there too!!

https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/sep/22/dont-make-children-eat-greens

wow, this is a really very outdated and badly researched article. The "science" in it was already obsolete in 2013, when it was written, and it would not be published now. You need greens because of the omega 3 content, but the other source is fish, and the population referred to that doesn't eat greens, eats almost entirely fish, so that is why.

You omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids need to be in the right proportion and without greens they won't be, and this is why we are living through a crisis of obesity and diabetes, as well as many other health issues.

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Abitorangelooking · 12/06/2024 15:06

sheoaouhra · 12/06/2024 14:54

very heartening to see so many parents do still consider it the norm, but slightly alarming that there are some on here prepared to admit they don't insist. I expect this has a lot to do with the obesity and diabetes crisis. You can't be very healthy without daily fresh greens, unless you are taking the same nutrients in a supplement or something

I don't think you should insist children eat things tbh. It can lead to all sorts of food issues. I think you can work with them and figure what they like and then include as much as possible even if it is repetitive. My kids eat loads of veg/ fruit but it's very much a choice. I always talk positively about veg and home made food and I do hear them extolling the same values so a bit of gentle persuasion helps.

It does cost a fair whack though, I think good food is an investment into your health. I'd rather eat well 52 weeks of the year than go on holiday for a week somewhere / get a takeout/ restaurants. With an increase in col not everyone can afford endless veg.

AlwaysCloudyAtNoon · 12/06/2024 15:04

sheoaouhra · 12/06/2024 15:01

but lettuce is great!

Yes it's quite a relief that he loves romaine lettuce. Every single meal. My trick is to chop up a large bowlful and then say 'eat this for now because I'm a bit behind with dinner'.

Not sure how long this will fool him for tbh but it's good for now.

Lentilweaver · 12/06/2024 15:03

People can eat what they want- it's their life-but I don't agree that greens don't taste good. It depends how they are cooked, sometimes.

I don't serve boiled cabbage, because no one would eat it, but I do a cabbage stir fry with various spices, dry red chillies, and coconut Asian style.

There was no option not to eat greens when I was growing up, so I ate them. There wasn't anything else to eat.

MyBigFatGreekSalad · 12/06/2024 15:03

Why the obsession over "greens"?

A healthy diet should include a variety of vegetables.

sheoaouhra · 12/06/2024 15:01

AlwaysCloudyAtNoon · 12/06/2024 14:59

Mine has sensory issues around food and can't eat cooked vegetables at all. he eats cucumbers and romaine lettuce every day as that is all I can get down him.

Once though I have him choc-chip mint ice cream and he turned his nose up. I told him to eat his greens and he thought it was hilarious. So did I to be fair. He did eat it too, so now we have a new 'safe food' for him.

Is fresh mint tea a green? Possibly. He drinks that as well. I'd never considered it.

But yes, I grew up with a green veg every single day no matter what and it is something I do try and do as a norm. Plus supplements for when DS is having a bad food week.

but lettuce is great!

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AlwaysCloudyAtNoon · 12/06/2024 15:01

AngelDelightButNotStrawberry · 12/06/2024 14:33

I don’t force my asd child to eat greens either. They get given back to me. I could put veg on the plate every evening and they wouldn’t get eaten. Ever. So I hide veg in food instead.

I do this as well. I particularly like hidden veg in bolognese sauce. I usually peel a courgette (to get the green skin off it) and grate it in. I have tried chopping it up very fine, but DS will literally vomit if he thinks there is cooked veg (other than passata sauce) in something so I have learned. He's 14.

Revelatio · 12/06/2024 15:01

You might want to read this OP, greens aren’t essential, there are nations who don’t eat greens and are very healthy. My FIL doesn’t eat greens and he’s as fit as a fiddle, low cholesterol, minimal body fat - and he’s a medical professional!

My son also hates peas, I’ve tried everything. I can’t stand runner beans, my parents tried everything there too!!

https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/sep/22/dont-make-children-eat-greens

Don't make children eat their greens | Family | The Guardian

<p>It's the age-old family dilemma. <strong>Tim Lott </strong>explains why it isn't worth the bother</p>

https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/sep/22/dont-make-children-eat-greens

Lentilweaver · 12/06/2024 14:59

We eat greens everyday, but we are Asian and follow mostly an Asian diet. Not any of the well known ones though. We rarely eat broccoli; it's mostly Asian veggies.