To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

It just gets more and more upsetting, looks like he really tried to save himself, that poor poor man. I feel so dreadfully sorry for his wife and family the trauma they must be going through I can’t begin to imagine, it’s bad enough when your husband/parent dies but in such tragic and possibly avoidable circumstances is utterly heartbreaking.

Thing is the mountains I hiked in mid-summer heat were RAMMED with tourists of all ages, up to 60-70. No-one was collapsing or dropping dead, though I guess it was safer as everywhere was lots of people and shops selling food/water. But so many millions people do this sort of thing and are fine, I don’t think what’s happened to him is normal.

Thanks, do you mean this one?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cydd97gz9jgo

Joe doesn’t mention any pacing up and down.

@BreatheAndFocus Thank you so very much for putting that link to the article in. That is, hands down, one of the best articles I've read for years. So well written and well researched, the author has really done a great job there. We could do with a lot more journalism like that.

You've just been lucky and you're young....

I think it’s really harsh to call a deceased person stupid/dangerous for walking in a hot country. Loads of people routinely do that on holidays, otherwise the Great Wall would be shut all summer lol! Or people would be dropping dead on it like flies.

Maybe it’s because I’m always cold if it’s under 25 degrees, and I love hot weather….but I’ve gone for all-day mountain hikes, climbed the Great Wall of China, done a 30km bike ride and various other walks in 30-35 degree midday heat. With 1 water bottle, no sunscreen and no walking boots either. Never had heatstroke, heat exhaustion or any symptoms other than mild back sweat. I guess it is a lot worse in your 60s than 20s though. And 40 degrees is probably significantly worse than 30-35. But I’m a bit shocked it’s so easy to die like this as I wouldn’t think twice about going on a hike in a nice hot country on holiday. It makes me think maybe he had a heart attack or other sudden medical event?

Michael Mosley's plan was developed a lot from the original 2 day diet which was developed by Dr Michelle Harvie in collaboration with Professor Howells.

A detailed description of what is on the beach bar CCTV is described by Joe Inwood from the BBC in a report that is up on the BBC news page. That CCTV has been shown to a group of reporters but thankfully not released.

I haven’t seen anywhere that he was pacing back and forth.

I think it's unlikely that he fell or collapsed. From what I've read, he was found lying on his back, with his hand on his chest, and his feet up on a rock.

It seems to me that this was intentional. Lying with your feet elevated above the heart is medical advice for heatstroke. If he fell or collapsed I don't think that he would have been in this position.

And MM didn't follow his route. He was going to walk to Pedi and then get the bus. Initially, it was thought something had happened on the walk to Pedi and then they were looking along the route to Simi town. He'd actually gone in the opposite direction.

It looks so easy on the maps but I imagine those beige, rocky paths all look the same to non-locals.

Also people saying he couldn't be contacted to disastrous effects. He died within 2.5 hours and seemingly very quickly once he'd reached the spot he died on. It wasn't like he was lying there alive for hours when he could have been contacted and the alert raised.

It's not that he wouldn't be comfortable with a phone.

But even at my age, in my late 40s, I spent much of my life, including my childhood, doing all kinds of things without being tied to a phone.

What's more, all the exciting things like hiking across Europe or going on a wilderness trip or flying to Thailand were all done without a mobile, and often very poor long distance phone service. My father used to be a sailor and could not be contacted for months, except possibly when in port.

I am actually a little perplexed that so many people find the idea of going anywhere without a phone so "risky". These things didn't become more dangerous because cell phones are available.

Even the telling your rout thing - yes, it can be a good idea. But it's often not full-proof because plans change. My husband was away last year on a long canoe trip for two weeks. Of course no cell service, but he did leave a map of where he expected to be. However, about a week into the trip he had to change his plan significantly due to floods.

I think society has actually become mentally ill in terms of risk aversion.

@Thisoldheartofmine I know but they say it's on the cctv and everythings been true so far hasn't it 😥
@SallyWD Yes there is so much analysis now, and that photo keeps popping up on twitter so it's hard to get it out of my head. All the details are so upsetting. At the same time a small part of me understands the dangers so much more now than if it was a sanitised "man dies of heatstroke" story. That would be blissful ignorance.
But now I will definitely be more sensible in the sun and will advise others of the same. Even in death he is helping people. I can't stop watching videos of him talking, he was such a good human!

Yes I very similar thoughts to you op. Thought I was being weird

I just wish we hadn't been told all these details. We only needed to know that he'd died on holiday, probably due to heatstroke.
We know far too many details and I've found it really upsetting. It's horrible.

Yes, he got lost at Pedi and ended up walking in the opposite direction to their holiday home. Apparently he was going to get the bus back from Pedi so seems something happened at that point.

@Disturbia81 please try not to be upset about that report of him pacing up and down by the fence as it may not be a true report
Who would leak such a detail?
I've read 3 different positions he was supposedly found in , honestly you can't believe stuff in the media.

Me too @Disturbia81. It’s very, very upsetting. I hope his loved ones find ways to cope with those sort of troubling thoughts about his final hours.

I once suffered badly from the heat. I was in NZ, aged 14 and on a Girl Guide Jamboree. It was very very hot and we were camping. I can’t remember what we had been doing on that particular day but there were lots of activities on camp so I might have been exerting myself one way or another. I had probably not drunk enough either. I remember feeling lethargic, confused and weirdly emotional. Nauseous too. My Guide Leaders realised I wasn’t well and I was taken to the First Aid area which was in fact a caravan. There I drank a lot of water and was given snacks. They gave me cold compresses to put in my armpits, back of neck etc. I dozed off in the caravan and remained there for the next 24 hours or so- I slept for most of that time. Was fine afterwards but it was scary at the time, especially as I was so far from home and from my family.

He went the wrong way. He didn't plan a long walk up a mountain.

I once had heatstroke while on holiday in Gran Canaria. It was awful. I experienced dizziness, headaches, chills, and vomiting. After being put in a cold shower for a while, I just lay on the cold tiled floor with wet flannels on my head. I was 24 at the time. It wasn’t even that hot that day; I had been swimming in the pool.A holiday romance nursed me back to health.

Another time, I walked up a hill to an ancient site in Turkey. Looking back, it was absolutely ridiculous—it was mid-July, and incredibly hot. I was wearing skimpy clothes. I can't even remember if I had a hat on! I came straight back down again. I was 21 years old.

I haven't really learned my lesson as on holiday recently I walked daily for 50 mins in 30 degree heat albeit on a main road with some parts shaded but still...

I am 50 and still act as if I'm in my 20s fitness wise. When I excercise I can't walk, swim or run slowly.

I will definitely alter my behaviour now for sure. I can see how this happened it is a certain personality type.

Rest in peace Michael Mosley. You really were an inspiration. Thinking of his family at this very sad time.

@Calliopespa No worries, I know it's just so awful. I'm so sad about it, especially as he was so close. And that he was pacing back and forth for half an hr around that bar when he could have got to the bar entrance in that time, just shows his state of mind and confusion. I feel sick thinking about it

My mum told me of the time she was holidaying on either Cyprus or Cephalonia, I forget which one; this was years ago. Anyway, she had been lying on a sun lounger just a short distance from her and Dad's appartment. She ended up with what was termed by her as "a touch of the sun", and ended up wandering around for a considerable time, trying to find their appartment. She was okay in the end, but it really shook her up. Strong sun and heat can completely confuse and disorientate someone, even if they would normally know their bearings and where they were. It can creep up on someone before they're aware of it.

Thanks. No the description of him trying to get down ( presumably to the bar) is heartbreaking.

I heard he was beside the fence - presumably couldn’t get in. It’s just so sad : he was so brave and so vulnerable all at once. Still only a couple of hours in an otherwise well-lived, useful life in which he has been both loved and respected so I guess it has to be contextualised that way.