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To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

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Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 18:14

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

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Waitingfordoggo · 12/06/2024 16:58

Fraudornot · 12/06/2024 15:55

I’m sure cardio is very useful as we age - it keeps lungs and heart exercised and everything flushing through your system if you know what I mean. Weights/yoga only would feel a bit imbalanced to me.
Also being regular weight is a huge advantage as we age. I don’t understand people saying it’s not. Obesity is linked to so many diseases.

I don’t disagree- but I think hard cardio such as HIIT, Bodyattack or fast running probably isn’t necessary. You can get a cardio workout by walking up a steep hill or even with weights if you lift heavy enough!

poolemoney · 12/06/2024 16:56

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:43

No it was not 30 - 40 minutes - I read it was three hours from Pedii to hike over the mountain range he embarked on, where are you getting this from?

"Dr Mosley's body was discovered four days after he went missing in a rocky area beside Agia Marina, around a 30-minutes walk from the village of Pedi where Dr Mosley was last seen on CCTV."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/dr-michael-mosley-police-had-cctv-four-days-before-found/

Goldenbear · 12/06/2024 16:51

Fraudornot · 12/06/2024 16:09

Can people diagnosed with pre diabetes control it with lifestyle changes or do they eventually end up on medication too?

My MIL has managed to do this on the back of MM’s advice in his books. Also if you read and watch on Netflix the Blue Zone Diets, it is much more than just food m, it is lifestyle, emotional happiness. One man on the Netflix programme was from a Greek Island, moved to the U.S at 18, had a nice life but in his 60s diagnosed with Lung cancer they said he had a short time left so he decided to live out his last days back on the Island he was born on. He started to eat the diet that was not UP American, drink the local wine and dance in the evenings with local people and he lived another 20 years I think! Maybe he was lucky, who knows but maybe not.

Allfur · 12/06/2024 16:49

wombat15 · 12/06/2024 16:44

Effective in doing what?

Increasing your chances of living a healthier life

BonifaceBonanza · 12/06/2024 16:47

He was planning to walk somewhere, the walk from pedi to accommodation should have been 30 mins and the walk from pedi to the beach where he was found (and could have caught the families river taxi back to accommodation?) should also have been 30-40 mins.
Either way he took a wrong turn

wombat15 · 12/06/2024 16:44

Allfur · 12/06/2024 16:17

So lifestyle choices are effective in some cases

Effective in doing what?

westisbest1982 · 12/06/2024 16:33

But he was planning to go back to their holiday home in the opposite direction of this mountain range. In fact he was planning to get the bus from Pedi.

No, these things haven’t been confirmed. We only know he was going for a walk.

Opinionwontchangeluv · 12/06/2024 16:27

Happened to my mother, I am not sensitive to death anymore. Everyone is going to die, just hope you won't die painfully.

Riversideandrelax · 12/06/2024 16:20

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:43

No it was not 30 - 40 minutes - I read it was three hours from Pedii to hike over the mountain range he embarked on, where are you getting this from?

But he was planning to go back to their holiday home in the opposite direction of this mountain range. In fact he was planning to get the bus from Pedi.

People are talking like he planned a 3 hour hike through the mountains. He was planning on a half hour walk to Pedi and then the bus. Something happened at Pedi to cause him to start walking in the opposite direction of the holiday home and not to get the bus. I think it's quite possible he was already confused.

Allfur · 12/06/2024 16:17

wombat15 · 12/06/2024 11:48

They don't cure type 2 diabetes but they can put it in remission if it is relatively mild. That not true of most other diseases though.

So lifestyle choices are effective in some cases

Allfur · 12/06/2024 16:15

Calliopespa · 12/06/2024 11:46

I also mentioned hunting days if you read more closely.

Humans get old.

So women's fertility is comparable to men hunting? Who hunts these days?

BonifaceBonanza · 12/06/2024 16:11

Fraudornot · 12/06/2024 16:09

Can people diagnosed with pre diabetes control it with lifestyle changes or do they eventually end up on medication too?

That was the point of the fast 800 diet MM promoted and NHS has now (very slowly) started to adopt. As I understand the pre diabetes could be put into remission. There’s an MM old bbc program maybe on YouTube now, I think it included a very overweight man (lay preacher?) who had fatty liver and all sorts.

Fraudornot · 12/06/2024 16:09

Can people diagnosed with pre diabetes control it with lifestyle changes or do they eventually end up on medication too?

Fraudornot · 12/06/2024 15:55

I’m sure cardio is very useful as we age - it keeps lungs and heart exercised and everything flushing through your system if you know what I mean. Weights/yoga only would feel a bit imbalanced to me.
Also being regular weight is a huge advantage as we age. I don’t understand people saying it’s not. Obesity is linked to so many diseases.

Nevergonnagiveuup · 12/06/2024 15:42

I’m a physiotherapist and I’ve spent many years working in paediatrics and then the rest of my career in palliative care, so the beginning and ending of life . I have also been a bit of a health freak and ardent fan of Michael Mosley. My observations of over 30 years working in the health sector on either ends of the age spectrum, is that we are all so incredibly fragile. I treated children that had unusual, avoidable but life changing accidents ( falling on a pen, swallowing a lollipop, being hit by random golf ball , being run over on a zebra crossing, to name just a handful). It’s a miracle we are actually born never mind making it through childhood/ teen years.
Whilst working in palliative care, I witnessed the fittest most health conscious people succumb to cancer/ neurological diseases. It was truly heartbreaking.
A few months ago I got absolutely annihilated on a thread by the OP who insisted we could largely control our own destiny by taking certain health measures. I think we can adopt a sensible attitude and take responsibility for our own health but aging and deterioration of the body is inevitable. Our skeleton, the scaffolding of our bodies weakens and there is a decrease in bone density making us more likely to fracture bones if we fall. We lose muscle mass and joint flexibility with our advancing years. Our kidneys, heart, brain function decline and don’t get me started on lung capacity and falling VO2 max! It is very depressing.
I think people(me included) like to feel in control of the aging process and struggle with their mortality as it’s such a difficult concept to come to terms with. I religiously stand on one leg, do flexibly exercises, plank, walk daily etc but I’m not altogether convinced it’ll make much difference but I live in hope!
RIP Michael Mosley -you seemed a like you were beautiful soul and you will be missed

crackofdoom · 12/06/2024 15:18

I think he would have enjoyed a lot of the wide ranging topics touched upon in this thread, and I can't help but think of a parallel universe where he's sitting in a hospital bed in Rhodes, writing notes for an article entitled something like: "A brush with death: what I learnt from my experience of heatstroke" 😪

Riversideandrelax · 12/06/2024 15:02

Disturbia81 · 12/06/2024 11:49

Definitely more awareness and yes his fame will help spread that message. He's unintentionally going to help a lot of people even in death as he did in life, and I think the adventurous and experimental side of him would be satisfied with that (if it happened a lot later in life though) His contribution to helping people is endless, his videos, his advice, his sad death and his legacy will keep going and helping millions.

That's a nice thought. He was very adventurous - being deliberately infected with a tape worm being one I always remember - his wife was none too pleased, apparently! I like the idea of him looking down from heaven and seeing that his last walk actually carried on his legacy of passing on health advice in a way that can be easily understood by the general public.

Riversideandrelax · 12/06/2024 14:10

BonifaceBonanza · 12/06/2024 10:02

He went on what should have been a 30 minute walk to the bay in 35 degree heat wearing loose clothes, a hat, an umbrella and with a water bottle.
I don’t think he had any reason to think this was unreasonable.
You do realise the heatwave we had in 2022 was a week at nearly 40 degrees in the south of England.

Yes, I thought that too when people are saying 'I wouldn't walk anywhere at 40c!'. Well, those of us with children still had to walk them to school in 40c!

Riversideandrelax · 12/06/2024 14:07

milveycrohn · 12/06/2024 09:23

At lot of places do not have a reliable mobile phone signal, and that is even within the UK.
I have just returned from a UK holiday, and no our rental accommodation did not have reliable phone signal.
However, if you have a phone, it is maybe a good idea to take one with you, I think.
Several reports have suggested MM was feeling a bit unwell, when he made the decision to return to his villa by foot. Maybe he was already suffering from the heat stroke, which apparantly makes one confused.
In otherwords, instead of looking at it, as his decisions led to his death, maybe the heat was making him make unwise decisions.

This is my thoughts too, that he was feeling unwell so perhaps already heading towards heat stroke.

His plan was to make the short walk to Pedi and then get the bus back to their holiday home.

But perhaps the half an hour walk tipped him over into confusion leading him to get lost in Pedi and end up on a path up a mountain in the opposite direction to their house.

milveycrohn · 12/06/2024 13:55

"but in many countries construction workers and farmers have to work in these temperatures and do not die."
When I was on holiday in Portugal (Sesimbra), there was some ship building going on on the other side of the bay. The construction workers started around 3.00 or 4.00 in the morning. It stopped during the day, and then resumed again late evening.
Obviously, I cannot remember the exact times now, but the sounds carried around the bay.
Sesimbra is not the usual touristy spot, (mainly Portuguese). The sounds were noticeable from where our accommodation was, but I can't say it was annoying. I think we accepted that this was going on. But it was something we especially noticed at the time.

SallyWD · 12/06/2024 13:43

Regarding the lifestyle discussions - of course a healthy lifestyle can limit the risk of disease but also there are things you can't control. It's not one or the other. Some examples:
My DH is a healthy, active 40 something yet when he did his 40s health check he was found to be overweight with high blood pressure, high cholesterol and high blood sugars. That was a shock! The doctor said he was high risk for an early heart attack, stroke and diabetes. By losing weight, changing his diet and lifestyle he's brought these numbers down to normal and is now not an increased risk for heart disease etc. So that's an example of us being able to control our health.
Another example of health problems you can't control. I got a rare type of cancer in my 30s. I was a slim, non-smoking vegetarian who lived a healthy life. The type of cancer I got is usually only seen in old men who've worked with asbestos for decades or people in their 60s who've smoked for decades. There was nothing I could have done to avoid this. I was already doing all the right things to prevent cancer and other diseases.
So life can be a lottery - some things can be controlled and others can't (unsurprisingly).

Thebellofstclements · 12/06/2024 13:28

Allfur · 12/06/2024 11:43

so no longer being fertile is the beginning of the end for women - so when do mens bodies 'wind down'?

Men's bodies very clearly start winding down from their 40s onwards, similar to women's. This is why the following exist: veteran sports leagues, extra minutes for military fitness tests, Viagra, mens health vitamins, Just For Men hair dye adverts, and hiking poles. Some of these are for both men and women obviously.

BeaFuddled · 12/06/2024 13:17

It was the first thing we said to each other that his wife will spend the rest of her days kicking herself and being furious with him.

Who's "we"? Do you know his wife, have you had a chat with her?

She didn't sound furious with her husband or herself in the incredibly dignified statement she released. She was grateful for the lucky life they had shared and acknowledged that shit happens.

I bet she will continue to have a fulfilling life, just as MM did.

Calliopespa · 12/06/2024 12:42

godmum56 · 12/06/2024 11:10

oddly (and I am 70) that's not how I remember it 40 years ago. No we didn't phone or telegraph from ships often, but definitely for birthdays and similar occasions. in the early 90's DH and I went to the US with his job and I used to phone my Mum for a chat once a week, also phone the in laws. Yes it wasn't cheap but definitely affordable. the line was always clear and fine. I do think though that "ordinary people" did do less sensationalist things. the clearest example of this is more people climbing Everest, but I also think that generally more people do undertake more extreme activities casually and that part of the reason for this is better safety options including communication. I don't know about younger people being anxious...or older ones. For myself, I find it much more convenient to have my mobile with me when I am out...as anyone who has broken down miles from anywhere (yes its possible in the UK) will tell you. Yes I know that mobile coverage isn't perfect but some is surely better than none? Of course we didn't just stay in doors, that is a silly comment, but if there is a development that increases safety then why deliberately choose not to use it?

People had to stick to plans a lot more! None of this “ I’m sorry the traffic is awful; I’m not going to make it!”

PandoraRocks · 12/06/2024 11:55

This is an awful tragedy and many of us have seen it as avoidable. We are baffled and frustrated at the loss of this lovely man. I always watched his TV programmes and will miss him as a presenter.

However, though it's no consolation now, his wife did say she had been very lucky to have shared her life with MM. She said they were very happy and loved each other. She had 44 years of marriage, having met when they were students, and 4 children. This is a lot more than many people here have had (myself included) and they were both wealthy and healthy as well. MM had a privileged upbringing and a comfortable life.
Also, although it sounds awful, MM himself said he would like to die quickly. At least he didn't linger for years with some terrible disease. I wish my mum had died like him instead of a long, painful decline.

I think we can honour his legacy by trying to follow his advice and adopting his positive attitude.