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To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

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Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 18:14

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

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LoreleiG · 10/06/2024 18:51

ImDuranDuran · 10/06/2024 18:50

Jesus, some of the responses on here are harsh.

Didn't the poor man get lost??

Agree. And yes that’s what I thought.

ilovesooty · 10/06/2024 18:50

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 18:36

Some of these posts are in very poor taste. This is a man who did absolutely everything he could to live a long and healthy life - far more than most of us do. Something obviously went terribly wrong last week, none of us know what really happened.

I hope you've got the perfect diet and exercise regime @Gettingbysomehow , you wouldn't want people publicly criticising your stupidity if you don't live to a ripe old age.

Absolutely.

Anonym00se · 10/06/2024 18:50

PadstowGirl · 10/06/2024 18:35

My DH is 64 and honestly he doesn't think that he is even slightly older or more vulnerable. He acts like he is 30, doing "daft" things like really vigorous games of tennis/football in the heat of summer.
They think they are invincible.

My DH is the same. He’s 60 and loves going out running when we’re on holiday. 🤦🏻‍♀️ Because he’s really fit and eats a clean diet, he completely ignores the fact that he’s bloody 60. He genuinely believes he has the same body as a 30 year old. It wouldn’t surprise me if MM also had the same ridiculous invincible attitude. Beetroot juice will only take you so far, but it can’t reverse the aging process!

ImDuranDuran · 10/06/2024 18:50

Jesus, some of the responses on here are harsh.

Didn't the poor man get lost??

RedHelenB · 10/06/2024 18:50

One thing is certain in life, we're all going to die. No point fretting about it, no one knows when .

S0livagant · 10/06/2024 18:49

Lentilweaver · 10/06/2024 18:34

You could die in your house of obesity from never leaving the house.

I am going to continue my solo hikes in various countries including Greece. With my phone and not too remote.

There is a middle ground, which I'm sure is the path you would take. Go out early or in the evening in hot weather, take adequate water, dress appropriately in light coloured clothing that covers your neck and arms, wear a wide brimmed hat, tell someone where you are going.

LoreleiG · 10/06/2024 18:48

It’s a bit strange to be ‘furious’ with him. We don’t know him. It seems perhaps he got lost. It’s just very very sad and unfortunate. It is not an everyday occurrence OP so there is no need for anxiety. Most people would not choose to walk in such heat because they’d be much too hot! MM seems to have had a very adventurous personality. I feel sorry however for outdoor workers in places like Italy and Greece during heatwaves whose health is at severe risk from such heat. At least one died last year in Italy.

Pootle40 · 10/06/2024 18:47

DaisyChain505 · 10/06/2024 18:29

I’m sorry to sound cold but this incident was a case of you play silly games and you win silly prizes.

Going for a walk in an unknown place in extreme heat without the correct resources or enough water and without a phone!

By a doctor too!

LoobyDoop2 · 10/06/2024 18:47

You have to remember that things like this don’t happen to most people most of the time. In fact, when you think of all the myriad things that could go massively wrong, most of the time they don’t. Most of the time, either there are no consequences, or they become a dramatic story about a near miss. That’s almost the worst thing about this case- it was so nearly ok. He was about 90 seconds away from safety.

neveradullmoment99 · 10/06/2024 18:47

SuncreamAndIceCream · 10/06/2024 18:30

You're not alone @Gettingbysomehow it was just pure idiocy. I honestly don't know what he was thinking.

Getting hit by a bus, something going pop in your head, going to sleep and not waking up. Yes I can see how the not knowing aspect of it is a bit anxiety inducing.

But everything about MM's escapade is just... stupid.

I completely agree. I mean a medial doctor? What on earth was he thinking?

Aquamarine1029 · 10/06/2024 18:46

How do you choose a sensible approach?

I live as carefully as I can, I don't take unnecessary risks, and I just let any worry go. I'm going to die, and there's not a fucking thing I can do about it. Maybe today, maybe in 30 years, don't know, refuse to care. I will not allow the fear of dying and death to take away from living my life and enjoying what I can right now.

haveatye · 10/06/2024 18:46

If something horrible happens to you, you won't think 'oh thank goodness I spent so long being anxious about this'

DownWithThisKindOfThing · 10/06/2024 18:45

I just feel so sad about it, I heard of another shocking death of a friend of a friend recently and with that and MM I’d go nuts just thinking about the “if only”s x

blackfuchsia · 10/06/2024 18:45

I’m finding all the coverage, and particularly videos, really quite awful. Apparently there is one at the end of his ‘walk’. I can’t believe this is being shown as I don’t want to see what led up to a man’s death and it must be dreadful for his family . I do agree with posters being baffled at his decision to walk in the middle of the day in such high temperatures but it was possible the heat was already affecting his judgement.

marigoldandrose · 10/06/2024 18:44

Ilovemyshed · 10/06/2024 18:42

Well, to be fair, he was walking at lunchtime, the hottest part of the day, in almost 40 degree temps, with "a" bottle of water and no way of contacting anyone. He got lost, confused by dehydration and collapsed it appears.

I'd say that whilst unintentional, it was misjudged and quite risky and he sadly paid with his life.

Agreed

Weirdle · 10/06/2024 18:43

There is an element of futility about it all. So much thought and care for his own and other people’s health and wellbeing. So much. And yet he went

for a walk in an unknown place in extreme heat without the correct resources or enough water and without a phone

I’m careful about nutrition and health - no doubt partly in response to ideas he promulgated, but there must be people walking around thinking that if he’d lived on burgers and chips and not been rich enough for a lovely holiday … he might have lived to be 100. (This is an observation about life, rather than specifically about him. I’m always faintly astonished when people demonstrably more materially fortunate than me leave life behind while I’m still here.)

I’m sad for him as well as his family - and I understand what you’re saying, @Glasto73lover.

🤷‍♀️

crackofdoom · 10/06/2024 18:43

As a solitary walker this has, indeed, given me food for thought.

I've had numerous "getting- lost-and-ending-up- scrabbling- up-a-tiny-goat-path-on-the-side-of-a-cliff" moments. Nobody's going to find you if you're in the undergrowth way off the path.
You do hear about lost walkers, quite regularly. I did a 14 mile walk on Exmoor last weekend (which also involved getting spectacularly lost, ending up with barbed wire cuts and a dozen ticks 😳), which included a massive cliff on the coast path- a nearly sheer drop of 200m. When I got back to the campsite, the farmer took a great deal of relish in telling me about the lone female walker who disappeared there recently. "They had all the helicopters out, but it took them three days to find her body at the foot of the cliff" 😪.

But what can you do, other than take reasonable precautions? Walking gives me such joy, and statistically the chances are that it will lengthen your life rather than the opposite.

I don't really like the holier than thou posters sneering about how stupid MM was. We all make mistakes, and my guess is that he never meant to walk that far. Got lost after Pedi perhaps, dehydration kicked in, he started to get confused...?

Ilovemyshed · 10/06/2024 18:42

Well, to be fair, he was walking at lunchtime, the hottest part of the day, in almost 40 degree temps, with "a" bottle of water and no way of contacting anyone. He got lost, confused by dehydration and collapsed it appears.

I'd say that whilst unintentional, it was misjudged and quite risky and he sadly paid with his life.

crumpet · 10/06/2024 18:42

Am the vast majority or people don’t have accidents and don’t die suddenly when young. That is not to say these things happen, and they are tragic when they do. But the chances of it happening to any of us is very small indeed.

ssd · 10/06/2024 18:42

I feel the exact same op

MatildaTheCat · 10/06/2024 18:42

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 18:36

Some of these posts are in very poor taste. This is a man who did absolutely everything he could to live a long and healthy life - far more than most of us do. Something obviously went terribly wrong last week, none of us know what really happened.

I hope you've got the perfect diet and exercise regime @Gettingbysomehow , you wouldn't want people publicly criticising your stupidity if you don't live to a ripe old age.

I absolutely agree. Far more likely that he was feeling a bit ‘off’ and decided to go back to the villa without disturbing his friends and wife by saying much. Probably just thought he’d be better off out of the sun. Along the way he likely had some medical event and the rest is very sad history.

RIP MM, I loved Just one thing and will certainly keep some of them up for a better life.

MuseKira · 10/06/2024 18:42

@Whatafustercluck

What I'm saying is, you will start to find your anxiety improves once you realise that there's actually a huge amount of control you can take to reduce the risks.

This is the key to it all really. Yes, of course, freak events happen that are difficult if not impossible to avoid. But for most of the time, we have it in our own power to mitigate risks by using common sense, and not being blase/arrogant and doing insane things where the consequences are entirely foreseeable and to a large extent, avoidable. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail!

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 10/06/2024 18:41

Gettingbysomehow · 10/06/2024 18:23

I feel absolutely furious with him. Quite unreasonably as I don't know him. Why did a medical doctor think it was OK to go for a long walk in 40 degree heat at the height of the day with one very small bottle of water and no phone????
He wasn't young either. He was 67.
Sheer stupidity.
Now his wife is on her own for her whole retirement. He won't see his kids marry or have children.
Older single women as I know very well often get abandoned by their married friends after the husband has gone. It takes time but in couple of years she will be lonely.
The utter stupidity of the whole thing made me feel sick and depressed.

I'm kind of with you on this one. Mad dogs and Englishmen 😢

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Blackcats7 · 10/06/2024 18:40

Gettingbysomehow · 10/06/2024 18:23

I feel absolutely furious with him. Quite unreasonably as I don't know him. Why did a medical doctor think it was OK to go for a long walk in 40 degree heat at the height of the day with one very small bottle of water and no phone????
He wasn't young either. He was 67.
Sheer stupidity.
Now his wife is on her own for her whole retirement. He won't see his kids marry or have children.
Older single women as I know very well often get abandoned by their married friends after the husband has gone. It takes time but in couple of years she will be lonely.
The utter stupidity of the whole thing made me feel sick and depressed.

Yes I thought much the same. In a way I think his medical knowledge and his writing/ presenting sort of led him to over estimate his invincibility.
That said we all do stupid things from time to time and get away with it or not.