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To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

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Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 18:14

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

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RickyGervaislovesdogs · 10/06/2024 19:44

If you mean like some kind of final destination type scenario YANBU. Always think this with accidents, I try to be hyper vigilant now.

Did some incredibly stupid things when I was younger, not unlike MM. Climbed a mountainous area in Tenerife with no water, food, sunblock (wearing a bikini, shorts and trainers). Stupid. The skin on my back peeled off practically in one go, my legs were swollen from sunburn, I had blistered skin. No mobile phone as didn’t have one back then and nobody knew where I was. If I’d broken something I’d probably have ended up dead- ticket cancelled, game over. Life is fragile.

RIP Michael.

SecretSquirreling · 10/06/2024 19:44

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:42

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Exactly.

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 19:44

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:34

How rude are you? Incorrect, he died two hours after his last sighting so he would likely not have made the three hour hike even if had he taken the correct route. He had no phone and insufficient water in 40 degree heat.

Show me where the walk from Pedi to the accommodation is a 3 hour hike. If I'm rude, it's because I'm sick of the factually incorrect bullshit being posted about this man. You don't even know what killed him yet!

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:43

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 19:39

So nothing that anyone ever reads ever in the press about anything or anyone ever impacts us or makes us reflect on our own lives unless we actually know the people involved?

what an absolute load of shite.

The way you are extrapolating this unfortunate incident to create a sense of woe and anxiety with unconnected and imaginary scenarios is a bit dramatic to be fair.

SecretSquirreling · 10/06/2024 19:43

What stopped you from reflecting in private?

His wife has lost her husband, his children have lost their dad, there are many, many people who will he devastated by his death.

But you're posting on a public forum crying "but what about me" and i think that's is pretty tasteless tbh.

Hiddentory · 10/06/2024 19:43

'But it doesn't actually impact your life in any way whatsoever.'

Well that is clearly not true, is it? His death has impacted a lot of people. Not as greatly as it has impacted his wife, children, friends, colleagues, but many people who never met him have been impacted, the OP among them

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:43

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 19:41

The direct route was apparently a 30-40 minute walk from Pedi. He was out in the hills a LOT longer than he should have been - around 2 hours before being spotted stumbling on CCTV.

No it was not 30 - 40 minutes - I read it was three hours from Pedii to hike over the mountain range he embarked on, where are you getting this from?

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ssd · 10/06/2024 19:41

This thread is a bit of a relief. I've been feeling really bad thinking his wife and kids must be furious with him. I know i would be. But it feels awful thinking like that.

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 19:41

wombat15 · 10/06/2024 19:33

You don't actually know that he would have been alright if he had taken a more direct route in the heat.

The direct route was apparently a 30-40 minute walk from Pedi. He was out in the hills a LOT longer than he should have been - around 2 hours before being spotted stumbling on CCTV.

RichardsGear · 10/06/2024 19:41

coldcallerbaiter · 10/06/2024 19:33

I hear this a lot. Men can find a partner if widowed pretty easy but apparently women will be alone. It is probably harder as an older woman, I agree. But why the assumption?

Bloody Nora, she's not even buried the husband she had - I hardly think the chances of a new relationship are on the agenda at the moment.

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 19:39

SecretSquirreling · 10/06/2024 19:36

But it doesn't actually impact your life in any way whatsoever.

His family have suffered a tragedy.

You've just found a way to make it about you.

You are no greater risk of this, or anything else, happening to you because this happened to him.

I saw a thread on MM over the weekend speculating and someone said something along the lines of it didn't matter because none of his friends or family would read it. Actually, given the number of users on here it's quite likely that someone would read it who did know him and is genuinely affected by what happened to him in a very real sense and not an imagined one.

So nothing that anyone ever reads ever in the press about anything or anyone ever impacts us or makes us reflect on our own lives unless we actually know the people involved?

what an absolute load of shite.

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Gettingbysomehow · 10/06/2024 18:23

I feel absolutely furious with him. Quite unreasonably as I don't know him. Why did a medical doctor think it was OK to go for a long walk in 40 degree heat at the height of the day with one very small bottle of water and no phone????
He wasn't young either. He was 67.
Sheer stupidity.
Now his wife is on her own for her whole retirement. He won't see his kids marry or have children.
Older single women as I know very well often get abandoned by their married friends after the husband has gone. It takes time but in couple of years she will be lonely.
The utter stupidity of the whole thing made me feel sick and depressed.

You have voiced exactly my feelings and I feel desperately for his wife as she must be so angry with herself for going along with such an idiotic plan

SecretSquirreling · 10/06/2024 19:36

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But it doesn't actually impact your life in any way whatsoever.

His family have suffered a tragedy.

You've just found a way to make it about you.

You are no greater risk of this, or anything else, happening to you because this happened to him.

I saw a thread on MM over the weekend speculating and someone said something along the lines of it didn't matter because none of his friends or family would read it. Actually, given the number of users on here it's quite likely that someone would read it who did know him and is genuinely affected by what happened to him in a very real sense and not an imagined one.

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:34

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 19:23

Just to repeat, for the hard of thinking. Had he taken either of the direct routes he'd have made it, despite the heat and whatever he was carrying or not carrying. His judgement was sound in that respect.

How rude are you? Incorrect, he died two hours after his last sighting so he would likely not have made the three hour hike even if had he taken the correct route. He had no phone and insufficient water in 40 degree heat.

coldcallerbaiter · 10/06/2024 19:33

Gettingbysomehow · 10/06/2024 18:23

I feel absolutely furious with him. Quite unreasonably as I don't know him. Why did a medical doctor think it was OK to go for a long walk in 40 degree heat at the height of the day with one very small bottle of water and no phone????
He wasn't young either. He was 67.
Sheer stupidity.
Now his wife is on her own for her whole retirement. He won't see his kids marry or have children.
Older single women as I know very well often get abandoned by their married friends after the husband has gone. It takes time but in couple of years she will be lonely.
The utter stupidity of the whole thing made me feel sick and depressed.

I hear this a lot. Men can find a partner if widowed pretty easy but apparently women will be alone. It is probably harder as an older woman, I agree. But why the assumption?

wombat15 · 10/06/2024 19:33

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 19:23

Just to repeat, for the hard of thinking. Had he taken either of the direct routes he'd have made it, despite the heat and whatever he was carrying or not carrying. His judgement was sound in that respect.

You don't actually know that he would have been alright if he had taken a more direct route in the heat.

fashionqueen0123 · 10/06/2024 19:33

He seemed ok in the first village. He was striding along and had an umbrella and water. He wasn’t an idiot. He had a backpack and seemed to have a purpose.
It looks like he may have taken the wrong turn out of the village and got lost. We also don’t know if he had something unrelated happen like a medical incident not to do with the heat.
If the not feeling well thing is true, maybe it was a sign. And it would have happened anyway.
So I think it’s sensible to prepare for things - don’t go out in extreme heat. Take water. Take a phone and back up battery and have a friend track you etc But that won’t prevent a heart attack

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 19:29

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 10/06/2024 19:29

Can you reframe it, OP, that MMs death might have done some good?

For example, I'm off to Crete in a couple of days. I am notoriously bad at remembering to drink enough water and for wandering off for a stroll without telling anyone. MMs death means that I am ABSOLUTELY going to drink water, take water with me everywhere I go and make sure that I don't go off without someone with me.

It might save MY life, knowing that someone medically trained could make a mistake and die. So there's that.

Yes I think that’s a good way of looking at it

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 10/06/2024 19:29

Can you reframe it, OP, that MMs death might have done some good?

For example, I'm off to Crete in a couple of days. I am notoriously bad at remembering to drink enough water and for wandering off for a stroll without telling anyone. MMs death means that I am ABSOLUTELY going to drink water, take water with me everywhere I go and make sure that I don't go off without someone with me.

It might save MY life, knowing that someone medically trained could make a mistake and die. So there's that.

LiterallyOnFire · 10/06/2024 19:28

crackofdoom · 10/06/2024 18:43

As a solitary walker this has, indeed, given me food for thought.

I've had numerous "getting- lost-and-ending-up- scrabbling- up-a-tiny-goat-path-on-the-side-of-a-cliff" moments. Nobody's going to find you if you're in the undergrowth way off the path.
You do hear about lost walkers, quite regularly. I did a 14 mile walk on Exmoor last weekend (which also involved getting spectacularly lost, ending up with barbed wire cuts and a dozen ticks 😳), which included a massive cliff on the coast path- a nearly sheer drop of 200m. When I got back to the campsite, the farmer took a great deal of relish in telling me about the lone female walker who disappeared there recently. "They had all the helicopters out, but it took them three days to find her body at the foot of the cliff" 😪.

But what can you do, other than take reasonable precautions? Walking gives me such joy, and statistically the chances are that it will lengthen your life rather than the opposite.

I don't really like the holier than thou posters sneering about how stupid MM was. We all make mistakes, and my guess is that he never meant to walk that far. Got lost after Pedi perhaps, dehydration kicked in, he started to get confused...?

Get yourself a geolocation oojit and always check in with someone who knows your plans and will raise the alarm if you don't call at the end of the day to say you're home or in your digs.

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 19:27

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christmaspudding43 · 10/06/2024 19:27

I find it quite comforting actually, as weird as that sounds. I'm very sorry for his family and understand they and his friends have had an awful few days and I wouldn't wish that on them, or indeed my own family and friends.

But to die on holiday with my partner and friends, with not too much knowledge of what was about to happen? Having achieved professional success and with a long and happy relationship? And having enjoyed pretty good health right up to the end? I think there are much worse ways/stages of life to go and I kind of find it comforting that that kind of death might be on the cards rather than a long drawn out, fearful one.

HowLoud · 10/06/2024 19:25

I was totally fit and healthy. Resting heart rate of 48, could run a 5km in a reasonable but not brilliant time, cholesterol normal. Used to travel for work, walked the dog every day and loved it, in an executive job and the breadwinner in the family.

And then I got Covid and never recovered. I still can't quite believe it happened to me but I'm essentially disabled now. I can't walk the dog because I can barely walk to the end of the road. Most days I'm completely housebound. My life has been turned upside down and no one knows how to treat it. No one.

I tell you what though - I'm delighted I lived life to its full before that happened to me. If nothing else, it should be a lesson to you all to live life more as you don't know what's around the corner!

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