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To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

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Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 18:14

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

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Marinade · 10/06/2024 20:13

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 20:12

Your response is just really weird.

I post on a discussion forum that a public event has made me feel anxious - lots of people agree and have also come on here and discuss it and then you come along and slag off for having the discussion on a forum literally designed for it.

Luckily there are plenty of normal people
on here quite happy to just chat about it and not slag off the posters in personal attacks.

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Well we agree on something as I find your maudlin focus on this unfortunate incident to be quite weird also.

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 20:12

Marinade · 10/06/2024 20:02

Ha ha I am now 'hijacking' this thread because I don't agree with you? And I don't do jogging.

Your response is just really weird.

I post on a discussion forum that a public event has made me feel anxious - lots of people agree and have also come on here and discuss it and then you come along and slag off for having the discussion on a forum literally designed for it.

Luckily there are plenty of normal people
on here quite happy to just chat about it and not slag off the posters in personal attacks.

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blackfuchsia · 10/06/2024 20:12

CammyChameleon · 10/06/2024 20:11

I think it's shaken people up a bit as all the coverage has given us a scary reminder that humans are still vulnerable to the forces of nature and the effect those forces have on our bodies.

There have been several hikers who have died of exposure tragically close to a trail that would have taken them "home". My old neighbour's sister loved to swim in the sea at a secluded beach, until one day her clothes were found but she wasn't.

I think you are right.

CammyChameleon · 10/06/2024 20:11

I think it's shaken people up a bit as all the coverage has given us a scary reminder that humans are still vulnerable to the forces of nature and the effect those forces have on our bodies.

There have been several hikers who have died of exposure tragically close to a trail that would have taken them "home". My old neighbour's sister loved to swim in the sea at a secluded beach, until one day her clothes were found but she wasn't.

ssd · 10/06/2024 20:08

ASighMadeOfStone · 10/06/2024 20:01

You have hijacked someone's death, so it's a bit rich to be mouthing off at anyone who thinks such threads are repugnant and tasteless.

Why click on threads you dont like?

There's a million threads on mn i dont go near, maybe i should click on them and slag off the op?

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 20:07

ASighMadeOfStone · 10/06/2024 20:01

You have hijacked someone's death, so it's a bit rich to be mouthing off at anyone who thinks such threads are repugnant and tasteless.

Jesus.

What is actually the point of a discussion forum like mumsnet then if we can’t discuss world events and how we feel about them?

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blackfuchsia · 10/06/2024 20:05

ASighMadeOfStone · 10/06/2024 20:01

You have hijacked someone's death, so it's a bit rich to be mouthing off at anyone who thinks such threads are repugnant and tasteless.

She hasn’t hijacked someone’s death. It has made her feel more anxious and she wanted to discuss it and it is a reasonable response to something that has featured heavily in the news over several days.

Marinade · 10/06/2024 20:02

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 19:54

Yes and I have also said that I am quite anxious and it’s made me feel more anxious.

You are literally hijacking a thread for no reason so if you don’t like it, please jog on and let those of us who want to have a discussion get on with it.

Ha ha I am now 'hijacking' this thread because I don't agree with you? And I don't do jogging.

ASighMadeOfStone · 10/06/2024 20:01

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 19:54

Yes and I have also said that I am quite anxious and it’s made me feel more anxious.

You are literally hijacking a thread for no reason so if you don’t like it, please jog on and let those of us who want to have a discussion get on with it.

You have hijacked someone's death, so it's a bit rich to be mouthing off at anyone who thinks such threads are repugnant and tasteless.

Marinade · 10/06/2024 20:00

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 19:51

That was a speculative article posted before he was even found. Have a look at Google Maps.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/michael-mosley-missing-search-latest-greece-symi-missing-tv-doctor-bbc-b1162757.html

So I cannot find the exact quote but the Mayor said it was a two mile hike from Pedi to Symi town, in that heat it would have taken way more than forty minutes even if he had taken the direct route as it was over a treacherous mountainous region. I will try and find the quote where he states it would take a fit person three hours. It is not just geographic distance to factor in - the terrain and heat are very relevant factors. I highly doubt he could have made this in 40 minutes.

Eleftherios Papakaloudoukas, the island’s longstanding mayor, said: “We know he came through Pedi and then walked onwards towards Agia Marina, it is about two miles and a harder walk than from St Nicholas, If he did try and walk that way to Symi then that is a big mistake.

Michael Mosley search latest: Wife of missing TV star says family 'won't lose hope'

Search enters fourth day for missing medic with islanders stunned at his disappearance

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/michael-mosley-missing-search-latest-greece-symi-missing-tv-doctor-bbc-b1162757.html

ASighMadeOfStone · 10/06/2024 20:00

SecretSquirreling · 10/06/2024 19:43

What stopped you from reflecting in private?

His wife has lost her husband, his children have lost their dad, there are many, many people who will he devastated by his death.

But you're posting on a public forum crying "but what about me" and i think that's is pretty tasteless tbh.

Well said.
The eleventy threads on this accident weren't enough. (Though they're equally insane with their magnifying glasses, conspiracy theories and map drawing)
Instead we needed another literally criticising the man and being furious with him for making them feel it could happen to them.
Jesus.

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 19:54

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:52

I didnt criticise you for discussing it I said you are being a bit dramatic. This was quite foreseeable: it was not a random and.or a freak occurence. Even the mayor of Symi was aghast that he chose to carry on walking rather than have a cool drink in an air conditioned cafe once he had reached Pedi. He made very bad decisions. Nothing extreme about this at all to wararnt getting so worked up about.

Yes and I have also said that I am quite anxious and it’s made me feel more anxious.

You are literally hijacking a thread for no reason so if you don’t like it, please jog on and let those of us who want to have a discussion get on with it.

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Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:52

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 19:47

So weird to come on a discussion group and then criticise the posters for discussing stuff.

I didnt criticise you for discussing it I said you are being a bit dramatic. This was quite foreseeable: it was not a random and.or a freak occurence. Even the mayor of Symi was aghast that he chose to carry on walking rather than have a cool drink in an air conditioned cafe once he had reached Pedi. He made very bad decisions. Nothing extreme about this at all to wararnt getting so worked up about.

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 19:51

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:47

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/michael-mosley-rescuers-fear-wrong-turn-dangerous-mountain-path/ This is one of many articles that stated the hike from Pedi to Symi town was three hours.

That was a speculative article posted before he was even found. Have a look at Google Maps.

ssd · 10/06/2024 19:48

I got similar anxiety when the princess if wales got diagnosed with cancer. I thought if she can get it, anyone can. Money, lifestyle, great genes, healthy and fit. It doesn't seem to matter.
I feel the same with MM. Smart, educated, sensible and fit. It didn't matter.

I guess what this shows above all is our vulnerability.

Its the "what it's" that fill me with anxiety.

Lovelyday57 · 10/06/2024 19:48

He took an unnecessary risk which goes against all medical advice (ironically). Please relax and enjoy your life but don’t do anything stupid. I will miss Dr Moseley but he really did know better.

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:47

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 19:44

Show me where the walk from Pedi to the accommodation is a 3 hour hike. If I'm rude, it's because I'm sick of the factually incorrect bullshit being posted about this man. You don't even know what killed him yet!

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/michael-mosley-rescuers-fear-wrong-turn-dangerous-mountain-path/ This is one of many articles that stated the hike from Pedi to Symi town was three hours.

'Race against time': Rescuers fear missing Michael Mosley took wrong turn on 3-hour trek along dangerous mountain path

Rescuers in a desperate search for missing TV doctor Michael Mosley fear he took a wrong turn along a three-hour long mountain path.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/michael-mosley-rescuers-fear-wrong-turn-dangerous-mountain-path

headstone · 10/06/2024 19:47

People are still implying his behaviour wasn’t extreme on that day even though the locals and the mayor clearly thought it was. I think the late Dr Mosley was terrified of ending up like his father and had the motto what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. I tried his 800 cal diet very extreme tbh and couldn’t manage it more than a few days. I think as you get older you shouldn’t put your body through extremes as you get older, you have to be very in tune to what your body is telling you. Even younger sports people are now found to suffer more from things like motor neurone disease.

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 19:47

SecretSquirreling · 10/06/2024 19:44

Exactly.

So weird to come on a discussion group and then criticise the posters for discussing stuff.

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Darkpassenger0x · 10/06/2024 19:46

Not read all the posts. I’m an ICU nurse in a major trauma centre. Highly intelligent people do really stupid things all the time; I know because we pick up the pieces. People fall down stairs drunk, they take drugs and overdose, they try to unalive themselves, they get hit by buses, they die of heatstroke, and a zillion other things.

If you’ve seen what I’ve seen, you’d never leave the house. Honestly. Intelligence is not always a factor in doing stupid things. In fact, intelligence can sometimes drive arrogance; he probably thought he’d be absolutely fine. He didn’t set out to kill himself. It was a stupid mistake. Something that intelligent people do, daily. Anyone interested in the science and psychology of this should into ‘human factors’. It’s super interesting and highlight how we make mistakes and why!

blackfuchsia · 10/06/2024 19:45

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 19:41

The direct route was apparently a 30-40 minute walk from Pedi. He was out in the hills a LOT longer than he should have been - around 2 hours before being spotted stumbling on CCTV.

Your speculation is just as pointless as anyone else’s. We don’t know what happened but it is fact that it was 40C that day and that sort of heat can cause all kinds of health problems, even in healthy people. 4,500 people died in the short heatwave we had in the UK in 2022.

Tiiina · 10/06/2024 19:45

So weird to be angry with MM and on behalf of his wife too.

He might just have taken a very unfortunate wrong turn. The fact that he collapsed near the fence suggests to me that he might have seen the building and been trying to reach it and then realised there was a fence between him and safety. That’s very sad if true.

I am 15 years younger than MM, but also of the generation not used to taking my phone everywhere. I sometimes go on remote hikes and I have no reception to call anyone anyway.
I don’t think I am anymore likely to collapse now than when I was 30, though I probably am. I don’t think of myself as old. My dad is 82 and still walks everywhere without a phone.

Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 19:45

Marinade · 10/06/2024 19:42

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I have news for you.

This is a forum to DISCUSS stuff.

It may seem alien to you but world events do actually make some of us reflect on our own lives too.

Bonkers concept I know but if you don’t like it, maybe leave this group for discussion.

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crackofdoom · 10/06/2024 19:44

LiterallyOnFire · 10/06/2024 19:28

Get yourself a geolocation oojit and always check in with someone who knows your plans and will raise the alarm if you don't call at the end of the day to say you're home or in your digs.

I haven't really got a person like that in my life.

wombat15 · 10/06/2024 19:44

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/06/2024 19:41

The direct route was apparently a 30-40 minute walk from Pedi. He was out in the hills a LOT longer than he should have been - around 2 hours before being spotted stumbling on CCTV.

Yes, but we don't know why he was stumbling and whether they would have been able to treat it straight away.

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