To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

An American hiker has gone missing on another island now. Sorry can't link at the moment.

Has made me think about all the solo walks and hikes I do. Usually not in remote areas but will be downloading that finder app...

Your not sorry to sound cold so why say it?
You don't know what resources he had, you don't know what happened.
A phone may not have saved his life as said anyway.
It's not helpful what your saying either.
It's happened now. No point going on.
You better hope something dosent happen to you one day.
If it did would you like strangers picking everything you did apart?

I’m sorry to sound cold but this incident was a case of you play silly games and you win silly prizes.

Going for a walk in an unknown place in extreme heat without the correct resources or enough water and without a phone!

I feel absolutely furious with him. Quite unreasonably as I don't know him. Why did a medical doctor think it was OK to go for a long walk in 40 degree heat at the height of the day with one very small bottle of water and no phone????
He wasn't young either. He was 67.
Sheer stupidity.
Now his wife is on her own for her whole retirement. He won't see his kids marry or have children.
Older single women as I know very well often get abandoned by their married friends after the husband has gone. It takes time but in couple of years she will be lonely.
The utter stupidity of the whole thing made me feel sick and depressed.

I think you are missing the point.

People can take a phone if they want.

But there is a real difference in attitude today. How many parents won't let kids, even teens, out without a phone because they won't be able to contact them? This radically changes the sense that kids have of being responsible for their own situation.

And it's radically changed people's sense of risk. A generation ago, even in my childhood, no one would have thought it far out to go on a canoe trip for a few weeks into the wilderness. Intrepid, sure, something that required proper planning, sure. But not something unthinkable without a cell phone.

Not everyone feels the need to do every possible thing to make every situation "safer". They care to make the risk something they are happy with. The ultimate safety mindset is often quite debilitating in the end.

Being really alone is something a lot of people value.

oddly (and I am 70) that's not how I remember it 40 years ago. No we didn't phone or telegraph from ships often, but definitely for birthdays and similar occasions. in the early 90's DH and I went to the US with his job and I used to phone my Mum for a chat once a week, also phone the in laws. Yes it wasn't cheap but definitely affordable. the line was always clear and fine. I do think though that "ordinary people" did do less sensationalist things. the clearest example of this is more people climbing Everest, but I also think that generally more people do undertake more extreme activities casually and that part of the reason for this is better safety options including communication. I don't know about younger people being anxious...or older ones. For myself, I find it much more convenient to have my mobile with me when I am out...as anyone who has broken down miles from anywhere (yes its possible in the UK) will tell you. Yes I know that mobile coverage isn't perfect but some is surely better than none? Of course we didn't just stay in doors, that is a silly comment, but if there is a development that increases safety then why deliberately choose not to use it?

There’s nothing to disagree about. We don’t know where he was going and that’s a fact.

There’s nothing to disagree about. We don’t know where he was going and that’s a fact.

I disagree. He was going back to their holiday home. That was why the search started in that direction until they realised from CCTV that he'd gone in the opposite direction.

But he was planning to go back to their holiday home in the opposite direction of this mountain range. In fact he was planning to get the bus from Pedi.

No, these things haven’t been confirmed. We only know he was going for a walk.

People are still implying his behaviour wasn’t extreme on that day even though the locals and the mayor clearly thought it was. I think the late Dr Mosley was terrified of ending up like his father and had the motto what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. I tried his 800 cal diet very extreme tbh and couldn’t manage it more than a few days. I think as you get older you shouldn’t put your body through extremes as you get older, you have to be very in tune to what your body is telling you. Even younger sports people are now found to suffer more from things like motor neurone disease.

So true, so many died from heat building the Qatar world cup stadiums and they had lived their lives in hot countries. I know people who lived there and the school day finished by 1pm to avoid the heat. Air con everywhere. People didn't go out in sun in the heat of the day unless for very quick moving A to B
I lived in the ME myself but wasn't as hot as qatar, I love walking but was warned never to go in heat of the day. I went to some ruins once in my 20s and nearly passed out, the heat/sun bounces off the light rocks which makes it worse. The time I got sunstroke I wasn't even moving, just by a pool there.
I was a silly Brit who'd never really been into sunbathing and tanning and just drank up all the sun I could when I first arrived, like I'd been starved of it in the UK. The family I was staying with thought I was mad. It was a harsh lesson but has stuck with me, the sun is not to be fucked with

I’m a physiotherapist and I’ve spent many years working in paediatrics and then the rest of my career in palliative care, so the beginning and ending of life . I have also been a bit of a health freak and ardent fan of Michael Mosley. My observations of over 30 years working in the health sector on either ends of the age spectrum, is that we are all so incredibly fragile. I treated children that had unusual, avoidable but life changing accidents ( falling on a pen, swallowing a lollipop, being hit by random golf ball , being run over on a zebra crossing, to name just a handful). It’s a miracle we are actually born never mind making it through childhood/ teen years.
Whilst working in palliative care, I witnessed the fittest most health conscious people succumb to cancer/ neurological diseases. It was truly heartbreaking.
A few months ago I got absolutely annihilated on a thread by the OP who insisted we could largely control our own destiny by taking certain health measures. I think we can adopt a sensible attitude and take responsibility for our own health but aging and deterioration of the body is inevitable. Our skeleton, the scaffolding of our bodies weakens and there is a decrease in bone density making us more likely to fracture bones if we fall. We lose muscle mass and joint flexibility with our advancing years. Our kidneys, heart, brain function decline and don’t get me started on lung capacity and falling VO2 max! It is very depressing.
I think people(me included) like to feel in control of the aging process and struggle with their mortality as it’s such a difficult concept to come to terms with. I religiously stand on one leg, do flexibly exercises, plank, walk daily etc but I’m not altogether convinced it’ll make much difference but I live in hope!
RIP Michael Mosley -you seemed a like you were beautiful soul and you will be missed

I don’t disagree- but I think hard cardio such as HIIT, Bodyattack or fast running probably isn’t necessary. You can get a cardio workout by walking up a steep hill or even with weights if you lift heavy enough!

So women's fertility is comparable to men hunting? Who hunts these days?