To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

I'm still having trouble getting to sleep with the vision of him becoming iller and iller with no help on that baking hill side. And realising he wasn't going to make it and his wife would not know where he was. I'm finding it really hard to stop visualising. And then not being found and it being so high profile. It's all very very sad and horrific.

Squats, standing on one leg, eating slowly, eating way less than I used to I owe it all to him and his accessible medical passion. Poor MM.

He was such a lovely man and they were obviously a very happy family. It's just such so tragic it ended this way. I wish his family all the best and I'm sure his legacy will live on. I certainly will keep on eating my fruit and handful of mixed nuts every day from now on, so thank you Michael and RIP!

I listened to that too, he obviously adored his wife 😞

Listened to the last interview with MM this morning Just One Long Thing with an intro by Chris Van Tulken.

I think his wife will get comfort from the loving shout outs he gives her and his children during the interview. Such a tragic loss for her but lovely to have so much video and audio footage of her amore.

I read an article this morning that Greek authorities are worried about tourists on remote islands not understanding the impact of heat. Two other tourists have gone missing who are older, whilst out on a walk. One Dutch and one American.
For all those claiming the temperature in Greece is normal hot - Greece has closed its schools, the Acropolis has been closed at times, and Red Cross have been handing out free bottles of water. It is too hot in Greece at the moment to be going a walk in places that are quiet. That is doubly the case if you are older, however fit you are.

If there are any positives to take from what happened to MM it is that we are surely all a bit more aware of how heat has the potential to make you very ill and indeed kill.
I've worked at 3 day events where horses are carefully monitored for overheating after the cross country, they are actively cooled while having their temperatures checked until they are normal. So I knew how vital quick cooling for overheated animals is but I've been shocked by how easily Michael got into difficulties on what sounds like a fairly normal walk.

Another reason it’s not comparable to a school run or a walk to the shops is the fact he was on his own and couldn’t be seen for at least part of his route. I imagine most school runs are on routes where there will be houses and other people around, even if it’s just people driving past who happen to see you staggering or collapsing- someone is going to stop and see if you’re ok, or you might be able to flag someone down or shout for help.

Comparison to the school run is just nuts. He'd have been extremely stressed too as he started to realize he was in trouble.

@Strawberriesaregoingoff @SallyWD Exactly, and yes some people forget how long he was walking in it. It was hours on a baking hot exposed white rocky surface with an incline, age 67.
I wish he'd seen the mountain ahead of him once he got to Pedi and decided to rest there instead. It feels like he kept going thinking "it'll be just around the next bit" and he kept going and going and then thought turning back would be counterproductive

He was walking for 2.5 hours from 1.30 to 4pm when he died. The temperatures were said to be around 40 degrees. Temperatures are recorded in the shade so whatever you read you need to add a few degrees on to that to get the actual temperature in the sun.
There were no trees, no shade.
It wasn't just just the heat, it was the exertion! The average school run does not include climbing a mountain! And navigating the very rocky terrain on that mountain for 1.5 hours.
I can easily see how someone of any age, let alone a 67 year old, could due of heatstroke in those conditions.

I'm not suggesting that at all, I'm an ultra runner and have done long races in high temperatures. I just don't think you can compare a 67 yr old walking in intense, blinding heat on the side of what is basically moon rock to the school run! Or does your school run take you over a rocky outcrop with zero shady or refreshments available en route? An unusual school I'd wager

I don't actually get how you are not alone just because you have a mobile phone with you. You don't even need to switch it on. There are no advantages to not having one.

@westisbest1982 It really isn't.
Though I've just looked up the equator and it's not actually close but definitely closer than us! And I stand by the rest. My two episodes of heatstroke were in the Middle East surrounded by white rocks and sandy ground, no trees or shade.
I've been very hot in the UK but never felt ill.

Exactly. And the ‘average’ mumsnetter going about her business on a hot summer’s day in the UK is nowhere near comparable to MM (a doctor at an almost elderly age) and the circumstances that led up to his death.

Any heat we've had in this country, no matter the temperature, does not feel like desert heat. Being close to the equator on a white/beige landscape is something else.

I can’t quite believe that you’re suggesting no one in the uk was outdoors in the afternoon without shade for 30 minutes or more?? Of course they were! Exactly as posters on this thread have confirmed.

@Fraudornot

To add to Boniface’s helpful comments, Michael Mosely based his 5:2/Fast 800 diet, eating only 800 calories for 2 days of the week and his 12 week ‘blood sugar diet’ a v low calorie diet eating 800 cal daily for 12 weeks is on the work of Professor Roy Taylor, at Newcastle University who studied whether a low-calorie diet could help people living with overweight or obesity put their type 2 diabetes into remission.

Prof Taylor led the randomised controlled Diabetes Remission Clinical Trial (DiRECT) which started in 2014 and ran for two years. The intervention comprised a total diet replacement (825–853 kcal/day formula diet for 3–5 months), stepped food reintroduction (2–8 weeks), and structured support for long-term weight loss maintenance.

Results showed that almost half (46%) of people with type 2 diabetes (all participants had diabetes for 6 years or less) who received the weight management programme were in remission one year later, 36% at two years and at five years only 13% of people who had received the weight management programme and continued to have support through the extension study were in remission of type 2 diabetes.

Diabetes U.K. said: “it's encouraging that the findings show that some people could stay in remission for five years, but showed that this wasn’t possible for most. Many who regained the weight they had lost came out of remission. But it's important to remember that no matter how long you stay in remission for, spending any time in remission can have lasting benefits to health…

People living with overweight or obesity on a weight management journey are fighting against their biology and the food environment. Over time, this complex interplay can make it difficult to avoid regaining weight.”

So not a cure all but helpful for some with diabetes for 6 years or less. Inspired by the DiRECT study findings the NHS have rolled out a The NHS Type 2 Diabetes Path to Remission Programme

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/diabetes-the-basics/type-2-remission/support-for-remission

Those who are pre diabetic may find weight loss through either v low calorie diets, the Mediterranean diet or intermittent fasting could prevent or delay developing type 2 diabetes.

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/diabetes-the-basics/type-2-remission/low-calorie-diets-for-remission

Yes but not on a barren rock face with zero shelter from unrelenting rays beating down on you, you're being obtuse here. I'm sure the school run was on shady streets with multiple opportunities and places to stop and drink water, cool off etc

Honestly I don’t think many people would find anything risky about a planned 30 minute walk at 35 degrees when you’re fit and well, sun hat, umbrella, water bottle.

Loads of Brits did this multiple times a day in the summer 2022 when it was pushing 40 degrees and children needed picking up from school etc

He was well known as a risk taker, swallowing a tapeworm and swimming back to shore in the cold atlantic sea as an experiment instead of getting a boat back with his wife. That's the time he lost his memory for a bit. So he was well known for straddling two worlds, that of an adventurous boundary pusher in the name of science, and that of a healthy living expert. We have to remember the former in the context of this.

There’s no evidence that he felt ill, his wife didn’t say this

If he felt unwell enough to decide to return early and the rest of the party appeared ok to stick to plan then he most likely did not want to disrupt them be saying he really needed to get out of the sun. He over-estimated his ability to get back by himself because his thinking was confused from impending heat stroke. This attitude would be in accordance with what his wife states about his kindness and consideration for others. Considering the situation back in England he almost certainly would advised himself differently.

I'm not enjoying these MM podcast adverts flashing up on Facebook now. Bloody Facebook listening to conversation is anxiety provoking!

I know @Thegreatgiginthesky . Yuck or what. Definitely a risk taker.

Given that he swallowed a tapeworm in one of his programmes I would say he always had quite an adventurous risk taking spirit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25968755