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To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

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Glasto73lover · 10/06/2024 18:14

It’s that idea of never really knowing what’s going to happen- the idea that we walk such a fine line in life. If you think too much about it, you probably wouldn’t leave the house.!

A close family member died suddenly and tragically a decade ago - literally dropped dead at home age 48 - something went pop in their head. So you genuinely don’t know when your time is up.

It’s that idea of a chain of consequence that can go so horribly wrong too- people always say ‘oh but you could get hit by a bus’ - stuff like this actually makes me really anxious. So many what ifs.

For Michael Moseley - a chain of probably inconsequential decisions may have led to his death- not having a phone on him, choosing to undertake a walk that in the U.K. is nothing but in that heat, was devastating and probably caused his death.

It makes me anxious that I won’t know if I am making those decisions - am I making sense? I think as I have got older, I have become more anxious and risk averse (thanks menopause) and as a result, you could end up not leaving the house. How do you choose a sensible approach? Not too much risk but some!

But I also want to live my life too!! I guess I find incidents like this quite difficult!

I guess always having a phone, not undertaking walks in intense heat in an unfamiliar place etc are the common sense points that will come out of this tragedy.

Aibu to find it anxiety provoking tho?!

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stopthepigeonstopthepigeon · 11/06/2024 12:26

MaMarysBigBowl · 11/06/2024 11:36

Maybe she is? Is it bad to say you feel sorry for someone who's suddenly and unexpectedly lost their husband on what was meant to be a lovely holiday?

It’s probably bad to say the lovely holiday being spoiled is one of the main issues here.
“Oh my husbands popped his clogs. What’s a nuisance! He always was thoughtless”

notacooldad · 11/06/2024 12:25

Like everyone here I am only speculating.
People are talking about him going off hiking and was ill prepared.

I don't see him as going off on a planned hike, just making a
return to the villa. Sure it was hot but I can imagine him thinking that it wouldn't take long and then he would relax.

I got caught out in Spain recently and think there but the grace of God! My hotel didn't look far from where I spent the day but I didn't take into account how steep the road was back to Mijas. I thought I'd buy some water at a shop but it was cash only the bus wasn't for another hour and so on. I was absolutely spent by the time I got back.

When I do hike I take maps, supplies , compases, spare clothing, food etc, for a stroll I take my front door key and on occasion my phone.

Things that seem quite simple can turn into something much bigger than you though and sadly in this case fatal.

SallyWD · 11/06/2024 12:24

Calliopespa · 11/06/2024 12:02

It’s so, so sad for MM’s family, and I think the fact he was such a friendly, relatable type has meant it has hit many people.

The other slightly “ down” thought it had given me is after all his focus and emphasis on dietary restrictions, healthy living etc in order to “live longer” …

I think where I’m getting to is that life needs to be a balance of incorporating what you enjoy. And yes a donut every day isn’t ideal but don’t forgo them always if you’d really enjoy one! Living on bean sprouts and running marathons is no guarantee of anything on that font.

The thing is, you talk as if healthy living is not enjoyable and unhealthy living is. I disagree. For example, MM and his wife encouraged people to eat a Mediterranean diet for health and longevity. To me, Mediterranean food is the most delicious food! Give me a big Greek salad and grilled fish over a donut any day! I have a real passion for Mediterranean food and get excited about eating it (unlike donuts).
Most of the things MM recommended are things I enjoy anyway - walking, getting out in nature, learning new skills, sleeping well, eating dark chocolate and enjoying a glass of red wine.
Unhealthy living, such as eating loads of processed foods and not moving your body much doesn't sound like much fun to me.

brightyellowflower · 11/06/2024 12:19

I haven't read through all 20 pages, but honestly - the main lesson is, don't go for a walk and not tell people your route.

I know a lady who fell off her bike and died. Not from the broken ankle but because no one knew where she'd gone and so spent 2 days out in the cold with a broken ankle.

I tell my kids ALL the time. You must tell people your route. Not because we're checking on you, but because we know where to look if you don't return.

If he'd told people where he was going, he'd have been found super quickly.

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 11/06/2024 12:19

for a walk in an unknown place in extreme heat without the correct resources or enough water and without a phone

So much seem to being made about lack of phone but he seemed to have been in beachwear - shorts and shirt and I know with DH and FIL lack of pockets has often meant MIL and I end up with their phones not always remember on parting - and other people actively want breaks from them.

I thought he'd started to feel unwell - rather than disrupt rest of their plans headed back with umbrella and some water and got lost possibly due to being ill with impair judgement.

When my FIL was 67 he was still pushing on with full time work and side project - both very physical in nature very active holidays steep climbs- and it took a minor heart attack for him and others to realise he wasn't as young any more and did need to take account of age and his body slowing down despite him being outwardly very fit.

TwixOwl · 11/06/2024 12:15

I used to be a solo walker in the countryside, but stopped when there was an issue with WhatsApp tracker and didn't work for a while.

I always take enough fluids, or know where I can pick some up. A paper map, an electronic map with GPS, compass and WhatsApp tracker to ten metres. And a power pack.

The story sadly reminds me of the lady who did a solo hike in America a few years ago. She went unprepared. She nipped into a bush to do a wee, stood up and couldn't find the path again. She was found dead about two years later and about 150 metres from the path. That story didn't add up either.

Calliopespa · 11/06/2024 12:15

Waitingfordoggo · 11/06/2024 12:08

@Calliopespa, agree but also, I always thought part of Mosely’s message was about quality of life, not just longevity. I know he talked about ways we could give ourselves the best chance of a long life, but much of the advice he gave was about living well. Because there’s no point living to 100 if you spend the last 10-20 years of that time immobile, in pain, reliant on medical intervention to keep you going.

I eat pretty well and exercise a lot. I don’t drink much and try to reduce stress (but I certainly eat doughnuts too when I feel like it!). I’m not bothered about longevity, but I am bothered about having a decent quality of life and remaining active for as long as possible.

Yes I think that’s probably fair; and his advice was initially developed for people who needed urgent help health wise, not the fanatics.

But there are people who obsess over what they eat etc as though it’s going to see them partying on New Year’s Eve in the year 3000.

It’s balance really. As my grandmother’s sister once said in response to a health lecture from an overly health conscious grand-daughter: “ None of us look glamorous in the ground.”

Waitingfordoggo · 11/06/2024 12:11

wombat15 · 11/06/2024 12:03

Why would she be reading it? I'm sure she has got better things to do. Anyway, it's not as if people are being rude about him as a person. They are just saying he did something very foolish which less face it is true.

Some posters have been quite cruel, using words like ‘stupid’ and ‘idiocy’. Some posters have even thought it appropriate to lay some of the blame on Dr Moseley’s widow and friends for ‘letting’ him go for a walk. I would have thought posters could say those things in private conversations, not on a public forum. Yes, I daresay the family are unlikely to be reading this very thread at this moment, but someone known to MM might come across it someday. Why take the risk that you could add even more distress to a person who has already experienced something deeply distressing?

BMW6 · 11/06/2024 12:11

I find myself now wondering how many lives will be saved by the publicity this tragic death has had worldwide.

How many people in future will be considering taking a hike, bike ride, whatever, and may now pause and think "what if?"

Perhaps they'll double check they have their phone, take another look at the map, pack another bottle of water.

TwixOwl · 11/06/2024 12:11

Has anyone actually been to that area that can shed some light on this situation? Is visibility bad at the top of that mountain that it's not obvious going wrong way?

Calliopespa · 11/06/2024 12:08

Quite deep issues in this thread - and ones that have exercised human thought for centuries.

I think MM, who liked to make people think, would be tickled that even though he is no longer making documentaries, he’s still provoking reflection!

Waitingfordoggo · 11/06/2024 12:08

@Calliopespa, agree but also, I always thought part of Mosely’s message was about quality of life, not just longevity. I know he talked about ways we could give ourselves the best chance of a long life, but much of the advice he gave was about living well. Because there’s no point living to 100 if you spend the last 10-20 years of that time immobile, in pain, reliant on medical intervention to keep you going.

I eat pretty well and exercise a lot. I don’t drink much and try to reduce stress (but I certainly eat doughnuts too when I feel like it!). I’m not bothered about longevity, but I am bothered about having a decent quality of life and remaining active for as long as possible.

notimagain · 11/06/2024 12:05

rewilded · 11/06/2024 11:34

What you really need to be aware of is you really need to keep loaded up with water (I see a pp mentioned this upthread).,

Again, this is misinformation. You can't keep drinking lots of water, you need salts too. That is why locals don't go off hiking with 2 litres of water.

Seeing as that was my comment you quote there I’ll bow to your more complete advice and I admit I was trying to keep things simple, as in the context of this accident and maybe a 1-2 hour walk.

Beyond that and certainly for pre planned prolonged exercise where you can be out for long hours in very hot weather the advice certainly used to be 500 ml/half hour of plain water, minimum. I agree with you that on top of that in those circumstances you do need the extras you’ve mentioned, maybe imbibed via gels and/or other means such as mixing the plain water drinks with drinks containing electrolytes…

wombat15 · 11/06/2024 12:03

ZebrasAreStripy · 11/06/2024 11:47

People are being really mean, imagine if his widow is reading this?? By the time he realised he was lost, he may well have been very confused by the effects of the sun etc and not been able to do anything to help himself. I expect no one would berate themselves more than him if he were still alive. He made a tragic mistake and he’s paid the ultimate price.

Why would she be reading it? I'm sure she has got better things to do. Anyway, it's not as if people are being rude about him as a person. They are just saying he did something very foolish which less face it is true.

Calliopespa · 11/06/2024 12:02

It’s so, so sad for MM’s family, and I think the fact he was such a friendly, relatable type has meant it has hit many people.

The other slightly “ down” thought it had given me is after all his focus and emphasis on dietary restrictions, healthy living etc in order to “live longer” …

I think where I’m getting to is that life needs to be a balance of incorporating what you enjoy. And yes a donut every day isn’t ideal but don’t forgo them always if you’d really enjoy one! Living on bean sprouts and running marathons is no guarantee of anything on that font.

Waitingfordoggo · 11/06/2024 11:55

Alwaysgothiccups · 11/06/2024 11:34

I've put yabu because we all die and that sounds like a halfway decent way to go.
Horrible for loved ones left behind.. but I'd rank dying pretty quickly on a beautiful island quite high up...
My dad dropped dead suddenly just over a year ago.. he had no sign he was ill. I had been talking to him earlier in the day. He just sat down at his desk in the evening and died. So fast he still had a glass of wine in his hand resting on the desk.. it didn't even fall or spill.
Absolutely horrific for all of us left.. I'm still in shock about it.
But actually for him it's probably one of the better ways you could die. I wish we'd got to have an extra 20 years with him.. there's so many parts of his grandkids lives he won't see.
But he doesn't know that.
It's made me more afraid of losing loved ones but less afraid of dying like that.
I'd love to die doing something I loved, like hiking. Not now obviously but when I'm relatively old.. 70 plus. I'd much prefer that to dieing slowly in a hospital or even at home of a long illness.. or even of old age. Slowly disintegrating, my personality eroding.
I read a story of an 80 yo man who had died falling off a mountain. He always climbed alone. People in the comments were saying how stupid that was but I thought it was a beautiful way to go.
Anyway I'm very sad for Michael mosley family because sudden death is so hard to deal with.. but it doesn't make me scared of dying in that way as that's the type of way I'd prefer to go. Other than dying peacefully in my sleep in my own home unaware I was ill. Falling somewhere beautiful would be my second choice.
I wouldn't let it stop you doing anything you love. Obviously be careful and be as sensible as possible.. but yes these things sometimes do happen regardless. How I view it tho in the grand scheme of things it's a lesser thing to fear for yourself.

Totally agree with this.

I’m sorry for the loss of your dad- what a shock that must have been (and continue to be). But you are so right that those kinds of deaths are much ‘better’ for the person who is dying- but really horrendous for those left behind. My friend’s very fit dad went on a bike ride (which was his favourite thing), had a massive heart attack and dropped dead. Extremely traumatic for his family, but not a bad way to go in the grand scheme of things.

My parents both died of cancer. I had a bit of time to get my head round the fact they were going to die (although actually only about a month in my dad’s case). Those kinds of deaths are very hard going for the person doing the dying. They have the worry of the ones they’re leaving behind, and their own psychological battle with coming to terms with the fact their life will soon end.

I too think that falling off a mountain aged 80 is probably just about the ‘best’ death I could think of.

Calliopespa · 11/06/2024 11:54

Gettingbysomehow · 10/06/2024 18:23

I feel absolutely furious with him. Quite unreasonably as I don't know him. Why did a medical doctor think it was OK to go for a long walk in 40 degree heat at the height of the day with one very small bottle of water and no phone????
He wasn't young either. He was 67.
Sheer stupidity.
Now his wife is on her own for her whole retirement. He won't see his kids marry or have children.
Older single women as I know very well often get abandoned by their married friends after the husband has gone. It takes time but in couple of years she will be lonely.
The utter stupidity of the whole thing made me feel sick and depressed.

It’s interesting you say this as extreme sports give me a similar kind of anger response.

So many people regard them as somehow “ cv enhancing” and I just can’t get my mind round what seems to me self -indulgent stupidity. So your mum birthed you, tended to you lovingly for years, your parents probably made financial sacrifices for you, not to mention the love and, inevitably, strain that goes into bringing a child safely to adulthood and you now want me to think highly of you because you want to hang yourself from a rope descending down the side of an ice-sheeted mountain, which you think is all the more admirable ( and so you tell me with breathless expectancy) because so many people die doing it ( or require rescue workers to put themselves in danger rescuing you). All to achieve what? Bragging rights?

ZebrasAreStripy · 11/06/2024 11:47

People are being really mean, imagine if his widow is reading this?? By the time he realised he was lost, he may well have been very confused by the effects of the sun etc and not been able to do anything to help himself. I expect no one would berate themselves more than him if he were still alive. He made a tragic mistake and he’s paid the ultimate price.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 11/06/2024 11:47

GingerbicciesPlease · 11/06/2024 10:56

I think, sadly, that if he was full of (misguided) optimism and exuberance (which is how he comes over on TV) he was possibly thinking 'I can do this, it's only 4 miles'.

But heatstroke is a killer and being dehydrated clouds judgement.

They'd also been on the beach before his walk back, hadn't they? Even if there were parasols it's far too hot to be out in 40 degrees heat midday. He was probably very dehydrated before he even set off.

GingerbicciesPlease · 11/06/2024 11:45

MuseKira · 11/06/2024 11:35

An inch at the bottom is pretty useless to enable someone to look to see if someone is in trouble. You'd have to squeeze your face against a, probably, manky loo floor to be able to see under!

But yes, loo doors without any opening at all, not even an inch are becoming more common. They seem to be very common at motorway service stations where there's often no gap at all, anywhere. Maybe it's just the service stations I frequently use???

This is very off topic but I have found that even motorway loos do have a gap but it's only about 1cm, top and bottom - enough so no one suffocates.

TBH it's probably, statistically, more an issue at home where people lock the loo door or they fall against it and it can't be opened.

This happened to one of my parents. They fell against the bathroom door.
The only solution is to build new homes with 2-way hinges so they can be opened from the outside.

Rebusa · 11/06/2024 11:40

MaMarysBigBowl · 11/06/2024 11:36

Maybe she is? Is it bad to say you feel sorry for someone who's suddenly and unexpectedly lost their husband on what was meant to be a lovely holiday?

I think the point the poster is making is that the wife could be reading the posts “judging” her husband.

Oblomov24 · 11/06/2024 11:39

I can't grasp your anxiety, but that's because I've never been an anxious person. If I died tomorrow no problem, because I'm already happy with the good life I've led.

Somerandomgirl · 11/06/2024 11:37

Look at it the other way..instead of closing yourself at home because youre afraid something will happen outside... we have only one life and we need to live it! We will d.no matter at home or outside alone or surrounded by people. Ask yourself which would you rather? Let your life pass you by being afraid to step outside and do anything or live and live and live and make sure youve done everything you could have possibly done! We dont live forever.... you cant 'save the time' for later. Live now. 😘

And the killer for anxiety is to do exactly what youre afraid of! Keep pushing and pushing even if its baby steps. 2 steps out the door today, 3 steps tomorrow

MaMarysBigBowl · 11/06/2024 11:36

stopthepigeonstopthepigeon · 11/06/2024 11:15

Maybe his wife’s on MN? She can have a read of this thread and the outpourings of judgement sympathy🙄

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Maybe she is? Is it bad to say you feel sorry for someone who's suddenly and unexpectedly lost their husband on what was meant to be a lovely holiday?

MuseKira · 11/06/2024 11:35

GingerbicciesPlease · 11/06/2024 11:28

I have yet to find any toilet that has NO gap.

Most have an inch at the bottom at least (for air) and an inch at the top.

The most vital point is that if you're unwell and take refuge in a loo, don't lock the door. OR if you can use the one with access (disabled loo) where someone can get in or you can pull the help cord.

There's a happy medium between loos that have almost 'stable door' height and zero privacy and ones that are fully enclosed.

An inch at the bottom is pretty useless to enable someone to look to see if someone is in trouble. You'd have to squeeze your face against a, probably, manky loo floor to be able to see under!

But yes, loo doors without any opening at all, not even an inch are becoming more common. They seem to be very common at motorway service stations where there's often no gap at all, anywhere. Maybe it's just the service stations I frequently use???