To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

Yes, I did think the same but maybe she went on to have tests to find out if underlying issue.

He probably does feel like he is 30 - but maybe he is doing things a 30yo wouldn't! Maybe he is trying extra hard to prove he isn't ageing unduly yet..?
OP you're not unreasonable, but it's not going to help - having anxiety about things is like enduring the worry twice. Try to channel it into sensible risk-assessment instead; are you pushing new physical boundaries, does someone know where you are, are you contactable/hydrated/fed/well rested etc etc to be able to push your body accordingly? I agree with others, I don't know how he could have thought it was a good idea, doesn't seem clear whether he took the wrong path or was actually trying to go see 'the abyss' caves? Either way mid afternoon in 40 deg heat (on day 1!!) was not the time to do it :(

Indeed he was.

But now - and fuelled by the themes on this thread - I’m panicking over why she collapsed if young and fit enough to be pre-dcs. 😰

@Uricon2 Indeed. He was a risk taking man, an adventurer, and that made him who he was and why his wife loved him. Can others be furious on his behalf? I think the fact he should have known better is whats driving this thought. But some people are risk takers and he clearly didnt expect it to end the way it did.

No, it doesn't make me anxious at all. I'm going to die some time and in the meantime I'm just going to get on with enjoying my life. If I was going to worry about anything, I'm more worried about spending my old age having a long period with a very low quality of life than I am suddenly dying in my 60s.

My parents died in their 60s (quick cancer) and just 70 (suicide). My husband is now in his 60s (I'm 10 years younger) and I have recently become much more aware of the inevitably limited number of high quality years that are left. High chance of 10, starts to get more iffy at 20. That's really not that many. But it just makes me think more carefully about how we spend those year and we are having a lovely time. I also think a little about how to prepare better for older age either with or without him. But none of that makes me either anxious or depressed at all. I think life becomes more precious and enjoyable when you are aware that it is limited.

What an amazing man.

From a BBC article shows what an amazing man he was:
Friend and fellow broadcaster Dr Hannah Fry told the BBC's One Show about an instance in which Dr Mosley had saved a woman's life.
"Somebody collapsed in the BBC offices in the corridors, and he saw them collapse," said Dr Fry.
"He went over, he performed CPR on them for almost half an hour until the emergency services arrived.
"[He] saved her life, she's gone on to have two children."

It sounds like the only possible help could have been to arrive at the beach bar earlier, but even then who knows if the damage was already done

Quite. And given there is no hospital on the island, the time needed for a transfer to Rhodes may well have taken too long and not changed the outcome.

yup, not saying that its possible to plan for everything but when undertaking a risky activity, the more you plan, the less likely you are to get into shit.

Of course not, but it's a bit negligent not to plan for anything

Who didn't plan anything?

I doubt a mobile phone would have made a huge difference here anyway. This is a backwater of an island, it would have taken a good while for any aid to appear. It sounds like the only possible help could have been to arrive at the beach bar earlier, but even then who knows if the damage was already done. What's bad is we'll never know the point at which he realised what he was doing was a bad idea. Was there ever a point at which he could have gone back the way he came.

I'm feeling this too.

I would hope that MOST people don't make obvious crap decisions though....like walking over rough terrain when its 40deg with no mobile phone.

He couldn’t have taken it, was left or forgotten at the accommodation.
Also as I said under the circumstances I doubt it would have been any help at all in this case.

I don't understand people who didn't even know MM feeling "furious" or "angry", all I get from that is a fear of being reminded of their own mortality.

We all make crap decisions at times and most of the time, most of us get away with them. Surely everyone has things that they look back on and think "that was stupid, won't do it again". It's part of being human and how we learn. We can eliminate a lot of risk, but not all risk, all the time, otherwise noone would ever die from falling out of bed asleep while others can go through years of combat experiences without a scratch. Life is a strange mixture of judgement and luck.

I don't suppose anyone will know the exact detail of what happened to this poor man and certainly not why he made certain decisions, some of which may well have been informed by heat exhaustion and dehydration. The lesson from it is to be more mindful in conditions like that, because we are all a lot more fragile and fallible than we like to think.

@notacooldad

Not one person can plan for everything.

Of course not, but it's a bit negligent not to plan for anything!

yup, not saying that its possible to plan for everything but when undertaking a risky activity, the more you plan, the less likely you are to get into shit.

Did he not know that mobile phones have an on/off switch? He could have enjoyed his "mobile free" walk by simply turning it off, and then he'd have still had it and been able to call for help when he got into difficulties.

I don't! My late husband was a global safety manager for a large company and did motorcycle training for both RoSPA and the IAM He was pretty damn risk averse as were his colleagues and fellow trainers.

saying that there are people who "get away with things" means that people who don't plan and risk assess will be as safe as people who do is plain silly!
Indeed often people under 25 who often don't fully appreciate all risks, people that have had a few drinks on a night out and decide to walk home because a taxi queue is too long. Maybe someone us really hungry amd decides to go to a cafe that hadn't got 5 stars from environmental health but no where else is open etc etc.
People can plan but things can change that you didn't expect.
Realistically are we all silly because sometimes what we had planned fails?

There are infinite number of reasons why things can go wrong on a day to day basis. Not one person can plan for everything.

Yes, I agree to an extent although when I was young I was pretty risk averse. That reminds me of when we were children my Dad would insist on extensive and long walks, he was a Geography and Geology graduate and was always want to educate us on the natural world wherever that happened to be. On a couple of occasions my parents did have arguments about is as my Mum would want to turn back and thought it was unfair on us.

I realise that what I’m really not liking here is the undercurrent of “blame” in this case

You see I would never be able to do that, enjoy living in the moment (while out alone) without my phone. The absence of my phone would give me anxiety as I’d worry that if anything happened to me (be it injury or illness or anything else unplanned) I’d be stuck. I do though overthink everything, but to be honest I prefer it that way as I’m a big believer in self preservation.

I too date from the pre mobile phone age. It doesn't prevent me from using it as an additional safety factor. The ringer, or indeed the phone, can be turned off or set to do not disturb to get the same freedom without losing the safety factor.

Yes but back to personality types, I think that would not be how they process the risk, with my Dad who I could
imagine doing something similar 10 years ago as he is late 70s, it wouldn’t occur to him. My Dad was living abroad in his late 60s in a country where the infrastructure is not amazing and the pavements aren’t maintained and safe the further out of the city you go, after a night out he insisted he just got out of a cab near a junction as his house was around the corner and he wanted some fresh air and to see the stars, the taxi driver advised him not to but he did it anyway and fell down a hole, he broke his leg and following that was a difficult 2 years for him as the various things went wrong.

I think it epitomises the difference between men and women. DF used to do this - go out for a short walk on holiday and then decide to extend it enroute and we'd all be wondering where he was. By contrast whenever I go for a run I do a mental checklist of do I have a phone bank card, emergency £10 on me. I'm doing a bit of trail running at the moment so I even take a paper map with me in case I get lost with no signal. I also always leave the route planner open on my laptop so that people will know where to look if something did go wrong. I think that MM's behaviour seems reckless to us because as women we have to be so much more risk averse whereas he'll just have thought that it looked like a good walk to explore.