To find what’s happened to Michael Mosley quite anxiety provoking

We don’t even know how he died yet do we? Speculation is due to the heat but that does that not seem unlikely considering it was so soon after he left his group? Maybe he had a heart attack, or fell…

It’s particularly poignant for me as this is something my late dad would have done .. gone off piste by mistake and then gone doggedly on up a steep climb rather than turn back or seek help. He died of a non accident related issue but the number of times he got lost due to his embarrassment about asking for directions or because of a miscommunication with us were numerous. He never took his mobile phone with him either.

I completely agree. Some people seem to be underestimating the enormous strain that heatstroke puts the body under. It’s not just being a bit hot. It has effects on every organ in your body.

Yes definitely - there's a saying 'the canary on your garden wall is more likely to be a sparrow'

Plus expect that Dr M would have had an ECG at some point during his experiments on himself for insurance purposes - that would have most likely revealed any issues with electrical conductance in his heart

The term heart attack is often used interchangeably with another term, sudden cardiac arrest (SCA). However, these conditions are not the same. In a heart attack, there is a blockage in a blood vessel that interrupts the flow of blood. Sudden cardiac arrest happens due to a malfunction with the heart’s electrical system.

This is beautifully explained. Exactly the way I feel. Thanks for explaining it so well

Genuine question, even when you are close to 70?

@BeetlejuiceBeetlejuiceBeetlejuice thank you for such a heart warming inspiring post

Severe heatstroke can cause a blood clot, I read today - this in itself will cause a sudden collapse/cardiac arrest. The family clearly won't release the details of PM findings at this stage.

@Efacsen you're right of course. I was just trying to point out that a number of posters who seem to be blaming him for bringing it on himself feels wrong for a number of reasons.
Not least because we don't know the cause of the poor man's demise.

Haven’t read the whole thread.

OP, I think this is, ironically, the beautiful thing about us - we are so fragile. Our fragility, our mortality, is what makes life so beautiful. Use this to remind yourself to live - right now. The only guarantee is this moment. And now this one. And now this.

Are you aware of the incredible odds you had to beat just to be alive? It’s okay to be sad when someone dies in circumstances such as these, but it also pays to remember that every moment he had defied the odds. Life is made up of silly, inconsequential moments, but those are also the moments that mean the most. Don’t focus on the end - that bit is the guarantee. Focus on the marvellous opportunity you have right now.

Whilst it's possible for Dr M to have suffered a sudden cardiac arrest - under the given circumstances heatstroke is many times more likely than a rare/uncommon un-diagnosed electrical conduction problem

@beatrix1234 from what I've read he was descending a slope and collapsed on that slope.
But yes, a SCA could absolutely make you fall from a height. The heart suddenly stops, often with no warning symptoms, and you drop to the ground.

You think someone falling of a cliff 10 mts high is the result of cardiac arrest? 🤔

Yes I read in one of the papers that it took him around 30 minutes to walk, what should have been a 5 minute walk, from where he was last spotted on cctv, to where his body was found

Some have described it as crawling and others as making his way gingerly.

Some reports have questioned whether he did actually say he was feeling unwell/tired.

Honestly we don't know. It's like all the initial reports of it being the mayor who spotted him .

Yes apparently he seemed very confused, going back and forth. An area that should have taken 5 minutes to cross took about 30 minutes. It's heartbreaking. I well up every time I think about it.

Oh the poor man. That’s real suffering. Just awful. I’m so sad to hear that.

@ducktapez combination of extreme heat and ascending/descending treacherous terrain and the exhausting effects of all this is most likely to have been the deciding factor. Not if it was a sudden cardiac arrest.
Of course it's unseemly to be speculating but we don't have all the facts and talk of him making wrong choices and writing as if he brought it on himself , is awful.

@Gettingbysomehow as awful as your post read I felt exactly the same. Him of all people, determined to live longer than his father if possible, then goes and does a frankly irresponsible thing like this and his family live with the consequences for the remainder of their lives.
So unnecessary and so tragic.

@Calliopespa It's not been published thankfully, just for the authorities but apparently theres 20 mins or so footage of the poor chap crawling around trying to descend that steep rocky hill beside the beach bar where he came to rest.

I missed the bit about a confused state on cctv?

I get what you mean. But really, it doesn't do to dwell on it.

The thing is, you often don't even know when you've had a "near miss". You just blithely carry on, and don't realise.
About 3 years ago now, I got heat stroke driving home from a day out on one of the hottest days of the year. My then-car didn't have air-con, and I hadn't bought enough water with me. The car had been sitting in full sun for a couple of hours and it was a 45 minute drive home. In hindsight, it was one of the stupidest things I've ever done. I felt absolutely appalling. Just about managed to stagger in from the car and got fully dressed into a cold shower. I think much longer and it could have been really nasty. People easily die from heat stroke. As Michael perhaps has done.

A friends dad passed away instantaneously from something going pop in his head when he was in his early 30s. Left behind two pre-teen children.
My own dad died completely out of the blue in his sleep at 62. Having gone to bed feeling a bit queasy, but otherwise fine.

Unfortunately, you just don't know what's around the corner. But dwelling on it, and making yourself ill with worry just isn't worth it.

Yes, even if he'd survived at that stage, heat stroke can result in permanent brain damage, which arguably could be worse than death.

I had cancer in my 30s and a baby and it was life changing.
The first few years after it I was very anxious with the thought of that we don't have any control over what happens and the possibility of cancer recurring.

But one day this changed and I find liberating the realisation that we are in this world for a short time. I don't focus about getting old, so I will never do botox.
I am not worried about any of that. I am focused in enjoying life as long as I can which I have no control over. To enjoy my children for as long as possible even when they become adults.
I find it liberating as you feel women are constantly wasting time in trying to look younger and miss what is important.
Aging is a privilege. We have no garantee of growing old. The only thing we can do is to focus in staying healthy.