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To not give builders food

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ThiswillDoItsfine · 10/06/2024 13:43

Help me settle this difference of opinion. I have a company coming out in 3 weeks time to install a lot of fencing. I mentioned to dh that I will get them coffee, tea, and biscuits/cookies in to have with drinks. Dh is saying just the drinks is fine, and for me to just offer it as and when. The job is going to take 2 days. I want to give the men something to eat as well, at the very least.
DH is then saying he doesn't want them trailing through the house, which I do understand. However, I was going to set a table outside with a flask, tea bags, coffee, milk & sugar, and bowl of biscuits so that they could help themselves. I thought this would be less restricting and mean that they can get it when they want, without waiting for me to ask. I also think it saves me running around when i have a child to look after. DH is saying that this is well over the top.

Is this okay? Or is it wrong i set this up outside for them? It is an outdoor job, so I thought it would be easier all around, and they'll be working hard.

Thank you.

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viques · 11/06/2024 15:59

Bignanna · 10/06/2024 13:52

No, but if there’s a cafe nearby, I would hope they’d go there. I hate workmen using our loo

Why?

llamajohn · 11/06/2024 15:57

Feed the workers!

ThiswillDoItsfine · 11/06/2024 15:37

FTPM1980 · 11/06/2024 14:14

Sorry read whole thread.
Toilet access, along with breaks is for their employer to sort.
If the employer or the person you are dealing with has not asked then they will not be expecting you to provide it.
It's kind of you to offer, but these guys are used to working outside every day. They probably won't bother....and if the are desperate they will probably ask anyway.
You will find it is built in to how they work. They will do 3 hrs work then go off somewhere to get lunch/use toilets, come back do another 3 hours. And they find they don't need the toilet in that time (which is why they often refuse tea and coffee)
My company has guys working in vans all day....they are given lists and maps of public and supermarket toilets, not expected to use customer toilets.

Thank you, that is good to know. I'll still offer. It is my nature and I don't mind, we have a downstairs toilet, sometimes even as an adult you need to go when you need to go! If they don't eat the biscuits etc it's not big deal, they're there if they want them, and can decline hot drinks if not wanted. I had a man once tell me that he has a flask in his van, and sandwiches etc. I think they don't know if anything will be offered/don't expect it, and various other reasons, so usually do come prepared I suppose. I think it is me feeling awkward, I'm uncomfortable with strangers on my property 😂 I can never relax!

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Bignanna · 11/06/2024 15:15

FTPM1980 · 11/06/2024 14:14

Sorry read whole thread.
Toilet access, along with breaks is for their employer to sort.
If the employer or the person you are dealing with has not asked then they will not be expecting you to provide it.
It's kind of you to offer, but these guys are used to working outside every day. They probably won't bother....and if the are desperate they will probably ask anyway.
You will find it is built in to how they work. They will do 3 hrs work then go off somewhere to get lunch/use toilets, come back do another 3 hours. And they find they don't need the toilet in that time (which is why they often refuse tea and coffee)
My company has guys working in vans all day....they are given lists and maps of public and supermarket toilets, not expected to use customer toilets.

The best, most sensible post of the entire thread!

StrawberryWater · 11/06/2024 14:59

Not read the whole thread yet but I do let builders know they can use the kettle if they wish (and there's coffee and tea if hey want it). I don't generally make them anything as they usually just want to get on with things.

I don't let builders use the loo. I know it's a pain for them to go off and find somewhere else but I made the mistake of letting a British Gas man use the loo once and he completely scummed up my bathroom. Wasn't quite that scene out of trainspotting but the loo and sink were filthy.

ThiswillDoItsfine · 11/06/2024 14:54

Sunnyandsilly · 11/06/2024 14:35

Goodness that’s overthinking on a grand scale. Clearly I meant they didn’t leave a mess, and fresh in terms of a drink means just made with freshly boiled water.

surprised I need to explain that to be honest.

It came across a bit snooty when you said "fresh" in comparison to a station which I was going to do. I also don't agree about the hygiene comment, because you quoted a comment from another pp who said her workers refused drinks, and then went on to say hygiene puts them off if they think a home looks dirty. I'm sure the poster has a lovely home. Maybe they were simple some throw away comments on your part, and not subtle digs. No problem.

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Sunnyandsilly · 11/06/2024 14:35

ThiswillDoItsfine · 11/06/2024 12:28

That's crazy. You can't tell people's hygiene so quickly. I knew somebody whose house looked immaculate from first impressions. She let her cats crawl all over the bench, washed her dishes with theirs. She rarely washed her hands, so bacon rolls presented on clean looking plates would be harbouring germs. If the workers are hygiene conscious I don't think they would accept it regardless tbh, esp when they have dirty hands to begin with.
What is "fresh" coffee?" All coffee is fresh whether you make it, or they do with a station. Nobody has mentioned it being premade stewing in a teapot all day.

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Goodness that’s overthinking on a grand scale. Clearly I meant they didn’t leave a mess, and fresh in terms of a drink means just made with freshly boiled water.

surprised I need to explain that to be honest.

HashB · 11/06/2024 14:30

ThiswillDoItsfine · 11/06/2024 13:48

Exactly, it is crazy because when we had work done the last time the men were given copious amounts of drinks and snacks, and toilet use! I wasn't well, though, and ran back and forth, in hindsight I offered abit too frequently. Dh was unhappy as the plasterers took the p. I may offer hot drinks, but leave a bowl of snacks outside with cold drinks regardless. Prob will get some take away cups for the hot drinks with it being outside.

I think it depends on the person, some feel awkward in people's homes they don't know, and may avoid it where possible. Others don't care.

Gosh, that is very trusting. I wouldn't be comfortable with strangers being in my house when nobody was in, and them having the key! 😱

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It was more of a building site than a home but our most expensive possession anyway is the dog and they come with us everywhere!

FTPM1980 · 11/06/2024 14:14

Sorry read whole thread.
Toilet access, along with breaks is for their employer to sort.
If the employer or the person you are dealing with has not asked then they will not be expecting you to provide it.
It's kind of you to offer, but these guys are used to working outside every day. They probably won't bother....and if the are desperate they will probably ask anyway.
You will find it is built in to how they work. They will do 3 hrs work then go off somewhere to get lunch/use toilets, come back do another 3 hours. And they find they don't need the toilet in that time (which is why they often refuse tea and coffee)
My company has guys working in vans all day....they are given lists and maps of public and supermarket toilets, not expected to use customer toilets.

ThiswillDoItsfine · 11/06/2024 14:09

FTPM1980 · 11/06/2024 14:00

We had a fair bit of work done, with different contractors here for different periods of time.
It was simply not possible to consistently offer drinks, and often they said no. I found they often just wanted to get on with the job and tea and coffee literally got in their way.
I wouldn't go to the lengths of leaving a flask and tea coffee facilities personally.

We would offer to make a drink - only if we were around and not busy or obviously making one for ourselves. And typically no more than twice a day.

Yes, I'm thinking you're right. It would be worth it if it was a longer job, but not just for the 2 days. Setting it up is probably just extra hassle.
I'll just leave the bowl of snacks and cold drinks outside and occasionally ask about hot. I have told Dh that offering toilet use is definitely a given, too. He has now said I am right when I explained that it is their place of work for those 2 days and that it is a basic legal requirement for any other workplace to provide.

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FTPM1980 · 11/06/2024 14:00

We had a fair bit of work done, with different contractors here for different periods of time.
It was simply not possible to consistently offer drinks, and often they said no. I found they often just wanted to get on with the job and tea and coffee literally got in their way.
I wouldn't go to the lengths of leaving a flask and tea coffee facilities personally.

We would offer to make a drink - only if we were around and not busy or obviously making one for ourselves. And typically no more than twice a day.

BingoMarieHeeler · 11/06/2024 13:50

We had builders in for 9 months, no way was I doing drinks and food for them for that long 😄 their work didn’t suffer at all as we chose professionals. It’s nice if it’s only 2 days as in your case OP but certainly not necessary.

ThiswillDoItsfine · 11/06/2024 13:48

HashB · 11/06/2024 12:31

We have had loads of workmen in over the last 2 years and I always go overboard to make sure they have drinks and biscuits. My dad was a builder and was treated really shoddily by some of his clients who made it clear he was only welcome in their home to do work and get out. I’ve never wanted anyone to feel like that.

I always point out where the loo is and leave a key if I’m out etc but really weirdly, some of them NEVER use it. I’m like where are you peeing then?! Maybe best I don’t know… 😂

Exactly, it is crazy because when we had work done the last time the men were given copious amounts of drinks and snacks, and toilet use! I wasn't well, though, and ran back and forth, in hindsight I offered abit too frequently. Dh was unhappy as the plasterers took the p. I may offer hot drinks, but leave a bowl of snacks outside with cold drinks regardless. Prob will get some take away cups for the hot drinks with it being outside.

I think it depends on the person, some feel awkward in people's homes they don't know, and may avoid it where possible. Others don't care.

Gosh, that is very trusting. I wouldn't be comfortable with strangers being in my house when nobody was in, and them having the key! 😱

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 11/06/2024 13:12

I would make the first cup of tea/ coffee when they arrive and let them help themselves after that, I should have said.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 11/06/2024 13:09

What you suggest is fine! A table outside with tea, coffee and biscuits (or crisps or something if you want - i got some cans of sprite or similar in when we had work done in the summer). Then you don’t have to worry about them. Also less awkward for them to be able to help themselves and not ask you.

You do need to give them access to the loo or pay for a portaloo though

Mrscaptainraymondholt · 11/06/2024 13:05

My DH often went out with teas for the lads working on our street last year! We live on a dead end street and when they were resurfacing and fixing the road the street basically took it in turns to keep them going with tea and biscuits even though they weren’t in any of our houses… we were kept updated and we even offered up our outside loo if needed as that could be accessed down the side of our house (always let the window cleaners use it too!).

it’s common courtesy and kindness and we’re down in the south/central so not a northern friendliness thing either!

RampantIvy · 11/06/2024 12:48

And to educate your husband that it’s not acceptable to expect workers to pee in bottles in the back of their van when there are toilet facilities nearby.

And then have nowhere for them to wash their hands afterwards - eww!

Mig25 · 11/06/2024 12:38

ThiswillDoItsfine · 11/06/2024 12:28

That's crazy. You can't tell people's hygiene so quickly. I knew somebody whose house looked immaculate from first impressions. She let her cats crawl all over the bench, washed her dishes with theirs. She rarely washed her hands, so bacon rolls presented on clean looking plates would be harbouring germs. If the workers are hygiene conscious I don't think they would accept it regardless tbh, esp when they have dirty hands to begin with.
What is "fresh" coffee?" All coffee is fresh whether you make it, or they do with a station. Nobody has mentioned it being premade stewing in a teapot all day.

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I think the more pressing issue for you is to allow the workers access to your loo. And to educate your husband that it’s not acceptable to expect workers to pee in bottles in the back of their van when there are toilet facilities nearby.

HashB · 11/06/2024 12:31

We have had loads of workmen in over the last 2 years and I always go overboard to make sure they have drinks and biscuits. My dad was a builder and was treated really shoddily by some of his clients who made it clear he was only welcome in their home to do work and get out. I’ve never wanted anyone to feel like that.

I always point out where the loo is and leave a key if I’m out etc but really weirdly, some of them NEVER use it. I’m like where are you peeing then?! Maybe best I don’t know… 😂

ThiswillDoItsfine · 11/06/2024 12:28

Sunnyandsilly · 11/06/2024 11:23

I’ve had a lot of work done here, and they always always accept a fresh coffee or tea.

however, I hate to say it, a couple of them told me they decide whether to accept based on the hygiene factor they think is in place.

and many of us work from home or can work from home if we have work being done.

That's crazy. You can't tell people's hygiene so quickly. I knew somebody whose house looked immaculate from first impressions. She let her cats crawl all over the bench, washed her dishes with theirs. She rarely washed her hands, so bacon rolls presented on clean looking plates would be harbouring germs. If the workers are hygiene conscious I don't think they would accept it regardless tbh, esp when they have dirty hands to begin with.
What is "fresh" coffee?" All coffee is fresh whether you make it, or they do with a station. Nobody has mentioned it being premade stewing in a teapot all day.

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Sunnyandsilly · 11/06/2024 11:23

ISpyNoPlumPie · 10/06/2024 19:48

This is the fucking wildest thread I’ve read in a while. Does no one here have a job? Who has time for this? How are you even home all the while?

Agree with some other posters saying that it’s very unusual for tradespeople to even accept a snack/drink.

I’m not a total arse but I’m not sitting around waiting to make the next hot drink. I’ve left tea bags and coffee on the side before. We don’t ever have biscuits though - and they’ve been almost universally refused previously so I don’t buy them now.

The Russian guys who did our kitchen - lovely, but they wouldn’t even take a glass of water. Even if I was out or working upstairs, they’d still go sit in their van and eat their own packed lunch. In winter! I said sit in but they wouldn’t have it.

The toilet however, sheesh, yes of course they can use the toilet.

I’ve had a lot of work done here, and they always always accept a fresh coffee or tea.

however, I hate to say it, a couple of them told me they decide whether to accept based on the hygiene factor they think is in place.

and many of us work from home or can work from home if we have work being done.

BardsAreAssholes · 11/06/2024 10:50

ThiswillDoItsfine · 10/06/2024 14:11

I have a large flask which I'm going to fill with hot water, which I will change if needed.

Nooooooo!

That’s ok for instant coffee , but absolutely minging for tea. Tea needs boiling water.

If you’re leaving a flask, don’t offer tea. Tea from ‘hot’ flask water is worse than no tea at all.

If they need to make it themselves, my experience is that they just don’t bother and drink from the flasks they bring with them. If you offer a freshly made tea or coffee, they generally say yes.

One mid morning, one mid afternoon. I never have biscuits in, but I have sometimes made cake or offer toast if I’m doing some for me.

DilemmaDelilah · 11/06/2024 07:37

@Notthatcatagain Since covid when we absolutely relied on deliveries to keep us going, I have kept a plastic box on the front step with bottles of water and (well wrapped) home made snacks. We aren't directly on the street so it's quite safe there. Our posties, in particular, pick something up most days, even when they aren't delivering to us, and sometimes will make a special trip up the drive to do that, which is absolutely fine by me.

DilemmaDelilah · 11/06/2024 07:31

I had a lot of work done a couple of years ago. Some of it was inside, some outside. For the inside work I pointed them towards the kettle/tea/coffee and said to help themselves (the work was in the kitchen and I put out mugs I didn't care about). For the outside work there was only one man - we offered tea/coffee when we were making it for ourselves. We also had a pasty delivery once a week and offered him one of those when it arrived, plus gave him a flapjack when I happened to be cooking them, but I didn't provide anything else.

PeloMom · 11/06/2024 07:28

I was brought up to be hospitable to trades people- offer tea, coffee, snacks and even send them home with beer/ bottle of wine. My DH thought I was nuts when we first had trades people; he does not offer anything (and his extended family is in trades); I did notice that all of them bring their own flasks of hot drinks , water and lunch coolers so guess he’s not being unreasonable.