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Men can get Ovarian Cancer !

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dottiedodah · 10/06/2024 13:27

I mean WTAF? (Source Telegraph) Ovarian Cancer Action has actually stated this.Would be bad enough generally ,but I am undergoing Treatment for this ATM, and just think it sounds ludicrous .Have been in touch with them before now and they seemed quite helpful .Feel a bit affronted ! AIBU they can say what they think,YANBU They should stick to the facts and not upset people already ill?

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DonttouchthatLarry · 10/06/2024 16:24

Surely everybody, no matter how they identify, realises that if they are in possession of a particular organ they can get cancer of that organ? Cancer doesn't know your pronouns. I know that I will never, ever get cancer of the testicles because I'm a woman and I don't have any.

maddening · 10/06/2024 16:22

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:34

Yes, saying "anyone with ovaries" or "people with ovaries" would be a less confusing way of phrasing this. However, people do get offended even with that wording so I do feel for charities trying to get a public health message out.

This is confusing to people with limited understanding or with limited English language - and based on the census there are more of them than trans identified women - so women works better and you can always include a reminder at the end such as "and this includes trans men and non binary women who have retained their ovaries"

maddiemookins16mum · 10/06/2024 16:22

Men don’t have ovaries and can’t have babies, end of.

Aperolschitts · 10/06/2024 16:17

This question on the membership form for Ovacome, an ovarian cancer charity, wound me up too. As an ovarian cancer sufferer, I don't want to be lumped in with blokes thanks very much. What possible purpose would there be to the results anyway?

Men can get Ovarian Cancer !
needsomewarmsunshine · 10/06/2024 16:06

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:38

@TheKeatingFive Yes, of course - but my point is you do get idiots who see a post that says "people with ovaries" and get all faux-offended over it.

The faux anything can fuck right off.

PeonySeasons · 10/06/2024 14:15

henlake7 · 10/06/2024 13:39

well, the post seems alot clearer! I dont think its that hard to understand.
Ive nursed several trans men in my job and TBH Ive never thought of any one of them as women....
they've all just looked and sounded like men....but with lady parts tucked away!

That's very dangerous on your part then - understanding the biological differences between the sexes are very very important in the medical profession, surely?

PeonySeasons · 10/06/2024 14:13

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:34

Yes, saying "anyone with ovaries" or "people with ovaries" would be a less confusing way of phrasing this. However, people do get offended even with that wording so I do feel for charities trying to get a public health message out.

Absolute tripe.

The word is women. Only women have ovaries.

Transmen know if they have their ovaries.

PeonySeasons · 10/06/2024 14:11

Witchcraftandhokum · 10/06/2024 13:29

I think what they mean is trans-men can get Ovarian Cancer.

A woman who has had a hysterectomy / oopherectomy is a woman. Removal of the womb / ovaries doesn't turn us into men.

Noshowlomo · 10/06/2024 14:07

They’ve turned off comments on just that one post

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dottiedodah · 10/06/2024 13:56

notgettinganyyounger Than you ,this means a lot to me .(love your user name ,I sadly am the same!)

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smallchange · 10/06/2024 13:56

mindutopia · 10/06/2024 13:47

You can have ovaries if you were born with ambiguous genitalia (are intersex), so I can't see why someone who was raised as a boy (but who technically has ovaries) and would consider themselves a man couldn't get ovarian cancer. A surprising number of people are intersex (I think it's 1 in 1000 babies born?) so you probably know someone who this might apply to.

No. For a start, even if it was 1:1000, you would have to remove all the men with ambiguous genitalia (Differences of Sexual Development - intersex is not a term used by clinicians, people with DSDs and families in this country and all people with DSDs have a sex).

Also it's more list 1:5000 and that includes DSDs where the person is unambiguously male or female at birth.

And that's ignoring the fact that it's highly, highly unlikely that a girl born with an enlarged clitoris (not a penis) will be mistaken for a boy and raised as one. Thankfully, doctors have stopped the butchery that saw such girls having their clitorises mutilated so that they could be (eurgh) "normal", but they were always girls.

notgettinganyyounger · 10/06/2024 13:53

@dottiedodah
Wishing you a speedy recovery 💐

Sue152 · 10/06/2024 13:51

I don't understand why they couldn't just ask 'can trans men get ovarian cancer?'

Then there's no misunderstanding surely?

All this half pretending that trans men are men - except they can get women's diseases because of course they're really women - is just silly.

TheKeatingFive · 10/06/2024 13:51

mindutopia · 10/06/2024 13:47

You can have ovaries if you were born with ambiguous genitalia (are intersex), so I can't see why someone who was raised as a boy (but who technically has ovaries) and would consider themselves a man couldn't get ovarian cancer. A surprising number of people are intersex (I think it's 1 in 1000 babies born?) so you probably know someone who this might apply to.

No. This is nonsense.

What you are referring to as 'intersex' is actually a disorder of sexual development. These are, in the vast, vast majority of cases, unambiguously male or female.

No humans are hermaphrodites, which is what you seem to be implying here.

deragod · 10/06/2024 13:50

mindutopia · 10/06/2024 13:47

You can have ovaries if you were born with ambiguous genitalia (are intersex), so I can't see why someone who was raised as a boy (but who technically has ovaries) and would consider themselves a man couldn't get ovarian cancer. A surprising number of people are intersex (I think it's 1 in 1000 babies born?) so you probably know someone who this might apply to.

There is no such thing as intersex, there are people of both sexes with disorders of sexual development. How many times those concern have to ask to not use them in point scoring?

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dottiedodah · 10/06/2024 13:47

DOBARDAN Thank you .yes it is upsetting ,as you say if they would think first it would be helpful!I thought I may be being unreasonable as only started chemo a month ago ,and its all been a shock as Hystorectomy in Feb and thought they had cleared it!.Alas some remaining

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mindutopia · 10/06/2024 13:47

You can have ovaries if you were born with ambiguous genitalia (are intersex), so I can't see why someone who was raised as a boy (but who technically has ovaries) and would consider themselves a man couldn't get ovarian cancer. A surprising number of people are intersex (I think it's 1 in 1000 babies born?) so you probably know someone who this might apply to.

Screamingabdabz · 10/06/2024 13:43

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:38

@TheKeatingFive Yes, of course - but my point is you do get idiots who see a post that says "people with ovaries" and get all faux-offended over it.

There is no ‘faux’ about it. It is downright offensive because it’s dehumanising.

MikeRafone · 10/06/2024 13:42

So a woman being a man isn’t really a man I’d they get ovarian cancer

jyst like a man being a woman and getting prostrate cancer isn’t actually a woman

if they had changed sex they’d not be getting cancer of organs they don’t have as the opposite sex

Screamingabdabz · 10/06/2024 13:42

”Men” cannot get ovarian cancer. That’s a blatent bias toward a belief that people can change sex when they can’t. No one actually truly believes this so I struggle to come to terms with this being taking seriously, especially by the NHS. It’s outrageous.

Theydontknowaboutus · 10/06/2024 13:40

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:38

@TheKeatingFive Yes, of course - but my point is you do get idiots who see a post that says "people with ovaries" and get all faux-offended over it.

I am not 'faux offended' by people with ovaries - I am genuinely offended. It obfuscates language plus I object to being known through my body parts.

AlisonDonut · 10/06/2024 13:40

As schools aren't now allowed to refer to 'girls' or 'boys', how on earth are any girls going to ever know whether they have a cervix or not?

henlake7 · 10/06/2024 13:39

well, the post seems alot clearer! I dont think its that hard to understand.
Ive nursed several trans men in my job and TBH Ive never thought of any one of them as women....
they've all just looked and sounded like men....but with lady parts tucked away!

Theydontknowaboutus · 10/06/2024 13:38

I agree op. And 'anyone with ovaries' is hardly clear to anyone whose first language is not English or has no understanding of biology.

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:38

@TheKeatingFive Yes, of course - but my point is you do get idiots who see a post that says "people with ovaries" and get all faux-offended over it.