Men can get Ovarian Cancer !

You think males have ovaries?

I think it's pretty good. Not the way I'd do it. But in this climate its conveying information without totally disregarding women - note, it's just an answer to a question on the long page of FAQs. Haven't seen the rest of the site butif it's sensible and this is the one bit of genderwoo clearly signposted then - that's OK.
Their aim should be to reduce rates of ovarian cancer. So they do have to target every demographic.

Maybe I'm just beaten down

"Can men get ovarian cancer?
Only those born with a female reproductive system can develop ovarian cancer. This includes people assigned female at birth, but are now living as a male, or transgender males who have had their ovaries removed. Anyone born with ovaries should be symptom aware and act on any concerns they have.”

How is this "good wording"? It says "transgender males who have had their ovaries removed". A transgender MALE is a transwoman. MALE = XY chromosomes. MALEs cannot have ovaries in the first place. It's a total nonsense.

It's like those "opposite" games you used to play as a child where everyone says the opposite of what they really mean, but some people are playing the game and some aren't so no one has a clue anyone if yes means yes or yes means no.

The very fact that their X/Twitter feed does not allow comments on this post stating that men can get ovarian cancer, (but does allow comments on other posts) says to me that they KNOW that their terminology is controversial, will upset women and is a complete nonsense.

What a worrying world where we need to actually state this 😵‍💫

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No they can't. Men don't have ovaries.

Your daughters troubled enby friend who deserves kindness and compassion, is not the one driving this, that for sure.

Quite. She is being used, very cynically, to further these people's ends.

Are there really many people who don’t know what “ovaries” are, but do know what “ovarian cancer” is?

As far as the OP is concerned though, of course this is a load of bullshit. Only women get ovarian cancer.

Only females can get ovarian cancer.

People with ovaries = women

I think it's because transactivists want to break the link between biology and sex and link it more to gender identity.
Women are much more of a pushover kinder so that's the first wall to break.
Sounds machiavellian but there are billionaire funded think tanks paying full time salaries and professional advice to strategise this!
Your daughters troubled enby friend who deserves kindness and compassion, is not the one driving this, that for sure.

Yeah but what's the reasoning behind it? Why men are men while women are "people with ovaries "? I'm genuinely curious.

This is quite good wording.
Most people will know if it applies to them, but it's not acting like there's no difference between the sexes.

It's funny isn't it - I recently snapped a photo of a picture from a prostate cancer charity. They used the word man or men about 5 times on the one poster. Women not once.

Place it side by side with a poster about uterine cancer, and all of a sudden everyone is a they not a her, men can get cancer of the uterus and we have to be very mindful of our language.

It's telling. And infuriating.

Why when it comes to male issues they are still allowed to use "men", "male " etc but when it comes to women it's "people with ovaries ". Why there is double standard?

Out of curiosity, looked at another Ovarian website cancer site, Ovarian.org.uk.

Their answer to the same question.

“Can men get ovarian cancer?
Only those born with a female reproductive system can develop ovarian cancer. This includes people assigned female at birth, but are now living as a male, or transgender males who have had their ovaries removed. Anyone born with ovaries should be symptom aware and act on any concerns they have.”

I actually think that's rather cleverly done. By expressing it this way they're not actually saying "men can have ovaries" but they're acknowledging that there will be people who think they can.

Totally agree.

Men don't have ovaries therefore can't develop ovarian cancer. It really is that simple. Anything else is a lie.

@ditalini great post.

Anyone in possession of ovaries is female

The end

Excellent point

That's quite a nice example of the problem with shitting about with definitions:

Men can get breast cancer.
Here you see the use of the word "men" to mean... men. An important bit of men's public health messaging - lumps in your moobs/armpits/chest area shouldn't be ignored. Yes, the vast majority of the time it happens to women, but if you're a man then you should be aware too.

Men can get ovarian cancer.
Here you see the use of the word "men" to mean... women. Not relevant to men's public health messaging. You need to know the code and realise that it means the group of men who are actually female. If you're the cock & balls variety then it's not going to happen to you (but do check those balls).

How about charities target the population they're aiming at without this needless obfuscation? Pride month is a great month for an ovarian cancer campaign aimed at transmen. Or a testicular cancer campaign aimed at transwomen. Or a trans health campaign aimed at both which could cover the risks of certain types of cancer, tucking, binding, things to watch out for if you're taking opposite sex hormones, mental health etc, etc. You know, actually useful and not just for points.

So that’s a woman then

@dottiedodah all the best with your treatment, feel free to message me if you'd like to talk to someone who is also partway through