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Men can get Ovarian Cancer !

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dottiedodah · 10/06/2024 13:27

I mean WTAF? (Source Telegraph) Ovarian Cancer Action has actually stated this.Would be bad enough generally ,but I am undergoing Treatment for this ATM, and just think it sounds ludicrous .Have been in touch with them before now and they seemed quite helpful .Feel a bit affronted ! AIBU they can say what they think,YANBU They should stick to the facts and not upset people already ill?

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FluentRubyDog · 11/06/2024 08:16

1Week · 11/06/2024 01:05

No it's not.
No one is a hermaphrodite - the definition is someone with a functional set of both gonads.

There are babies born with disorders of sexual development. They might have residual tissue of the other gonad. They might have a slight abnormality of physiology -in boys, the urethra might open slightly up the shaft rather than at the tip. There might be chromosomal disorders. But crucially, the majority these DSDs are sex dependent.
DSDs are common. That doesn't negate the categories of male and female.

Then why is hermaphroditism listed in the ICD-10 (International classification of diseases) under Q56.0?

I'm sorry, but you can't just deny a scientific fact to suit your narrative.

T1Dmama · 11/06/2024 08:11

GrammarTeacher · 11/06/2024 08:09

Trans men can get ovarian cancer.

Yes but they’re not actually ‘men’

GrammarTeacher · 11/06/2024 08:09

Trans men can get ovarian cancer.

T1Dmama · 11/06/2024 08:08

Let’s hope a news paper picks this up…. The charity needs challenging on the language used!

Bibi12 · 11/06/2024 08:07

Persianpuss · 11/06/2024 00:26

I've heard that Canada is one of the worst places for this. But at least the madness is sexually equal, in the UK this nonsense only happens when it comes to the word "women". Men's products and cancer campaigns keep the word men.

Exactly! And I think the previous poster who answered my question is right - they have women for pushovers.

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 08:07

MrsSunshine2b · 10/06/2024 16:30

Trans-men and some intersex men can get ovarian cancer. In the same way, trans-women can't get ovarian cancer and intersex women without ovaries, or women who have had their ovaries removed, can't get ovarian cancer.

Less controversial would be "people with ovaries can get ovarian cancer." I don't really see why it would concern someone going through ovarian cancer what gender other people with ovarian cancer identify as. It sounds like you have much bigger things to worry about anyway.

Transmen are WOMEN, @MrsSunshine2b .

"people with ovaries can get ovarian cancer." is the most controversial statement. ONLY WOMEN get ovarian cancer.

Saying women can get ovarian cancer is the less controversial, and most proper way.

As women, saying 'people with ovaries' is deeply dehumanising and offensive. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you. OP is already going through cancer for something ONLY women can get, and she not even granted being recognised as a woman by these misogynistic organisations!

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 07:54

mindutopia · 10/06/2024 13:47

You can have ovaries if you were born with ambiguous genitalia (are intersex), so I can't see why someone who was raised as a boy (but who technically has ovaries) and would consider themselves a man couldn't get ovarian cancer. A surprising number of people are intersex (I think it's 1 in 1000 babies born?) so you probably know someone who this might apply to.

Differences of Sexual Development is extremely rare@mindutopia . 0.7% of the population.

And, these people usually know very early on what they have and are educated and prepared by doctors from childhood. There is never any confusion with them because they like anyone with a condition, know all about it as they live it.

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 07:50

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:38

@TheKeatingFive Yes, of course - but my point is you do get idiots who see a post that says "people with ovaries" and get all faux-offended over it.

We are not 'idiots', @hydriotaphia , of course as women we get genuinely offended at that! Why don't you understand that?!? The idiots are the dehumanising, misogynistic lowlife arseholes who say "people with ovaries".

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 07:47

smallchange · 10/06/2024 13:33

What a shame they didn't just put out a tweet saying "Transmen! Remember, if you still have your ovaries, you can still get ovarian cancer."

That would have been helpful to a minority population, some of whom might need that occasional reminder that you can't identify out of your biology.

Less virtue signalling though. Fewer brownie points. Twats.

Yes, that would be a fair compromise.

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 07:46

hydriotaphia · 10/06/2024 13:34

Yes, saying "anyone with ovaries" or "people with ovaries" would be a less confusing way of phrasing this. However, people do get offended even with that wording so I do feel for charities trying to get a public health message out.

No, saying women with ovaries is the least confusing way.

Of course any normal woman would be offended by your suggested wording. Charities and health depts just need to say women....with.....ovaries.

It is THAT simple!

dottiedodah · 11/06/2024 07:17

Montelbano Thank you.This is good to know.I only know of one other lady is a similar position .Her treatment is ongoing ATM. I will certainly be making some noise!Re the platelets and Anaemia .I have a notebook re guarding any questions!Glad youre OK now xx

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Mummyoflittledragon · 11/06/2024 07:08

1Week · 10/06/2024 22:59

I think it's because transactivists want to break the link between biology and sex and link it more to gender identity.
Women are much more of a pushover kinder so that's the first wall to break.
Sounds machiavellian but there are billionaire funded think tanks paying full time salaries and professional advice to strategise this!
Your daughters troubled enby friend who deserves kindness and compassion, is not the one driving this, that for sure.

This needs to be shouted from the rooftops. People are being seriously exploited.

montelbano · 11/06/2024 05:38

dottiedodah · 10/06/2024 13:47

DOBARDAN Thank you .yes it is upsetting ,as you say if they would think first it would be helpful!I thought I may be being unreasonable as only started chemo a month ago ,and its all been a shock as Hystorectomy in Feb and thought they had cleared it!.Alas some remaining

Good luck I had a hysterectomy last year followed by 'mop up' chemo. Am now in remission.
got extremely exhausted towards the end of the chemo but no other side effects.....at the time! However whilst the chemo cured the cancer, it did also cause major problems with low platelets and severe anaemia, etc so just make sure you keep asking questions about your blood results during chemo and immediately afterwards.

StealthSpinach · 11/06/2024 04:24

Persianpuss · 11/06/2024 04:21

What nonsense. Planned parenthood (which is in the US by the way) also say that doctors make a decision to assign you a sex at birth and that most people have a gender identity by the age of 2 or 3. Not going to believe anything else they say. Let alone the fact that intersex is an outdated term.

Exactly. That Planned Parenthood “information” should be filed right alongside the “Flat Earth Evidence” some spout….

Persianpuss · 11/06/2024 04:21

What nonsense. Planned parenthood (which is in the US by the way) also say that doctors make a decision to assign you a sex at birth and that most people have a gender identity by the age of 2 or 3. Not going to believe anything else they say. Let alone the fact that intersex is an outdated term.

T1Dmama · 11/06/2024 01:19

I’m so sorry you’re going through this.
I had a hysterectomy 4 weeks ago and I was on ward with ladies like you, one had had to have a total hysterectomy, plus a few other bits removed… very poorly lady and she’s been blasted with chemo while open on the operating table (she said) how awful!
I can not imagine where charities are coming from asking this question!! I know it’s pride month but this is political correctness gone ape shit!! It’s utter bat shit! Once again the world doesn’t care about offending women, it’s more concerned with whether it’s offending the trans community!

1Week · 11/06/2024 01:05

FluentRubyDog · 11/06/2024 00:40

Well, it's a medical fact that 1 in 2000 babies are born as a hermaphrodite.

No it's not.
No one is a hermaphrodite - the definition is someone with a functional set of both gonads.

There are babies born with disorders of sexual development. They might have residual tissue of the other gonad. They might have a slight abnormality of physiology -in boys, the urethra might open slightly up the shaft rather than at the tip. There might be chromosomal disorders. But crucially, the majority these DSDs are sex dependent.
DSDs are common. That doesn't negate the categories of male and female.

FluentRubyDog · 11/06/2024 00:40

Enofthelinefinally · 11/06/2024 00:29

Honestly. Do people really still believe this nonsense?

Well, it's a medical fact that 1 in 2000 babies are born as a hermaphrodite.

FluentRubyDog · 11/06/2024 00:37

Well, if we're going to get technical, in true hermaphroditism there is both ovarian and testicular tissue present. Now, if such a person looks like a male and never suspects the presence of ovarian tissue, it is easy to see how this can become lethaly advanced before detection, especially as the tissue would be subject to all the wrong hormones, so more prone to carcinogenesis.

Of course, we're talking about 1 in 2000 people here, but still...

RedToothBrush · 11/06/2024 00:34

Friend at school wrote 'the penis enters the anus' on her GCSE science paper and got laughed at.

I'm not sure this type of shit would help.

Only women have ovaries. Only females.

Let's acknowledge that and save lives.

Enofthelinefinally · 11/06/2024 00:29

mindutopia · 10/06/2024 13:47

You can have ovaries if you were born with ambiguous genitalia (are intersex), so I can't see why someone who was raised as a boy (but who technically has ovaries) and would consider themselves a man couldn't get ovarian cancer. A surprising number of people are intersex (I think it's 1 in 1000 babies born?) so you probably know someone who this might apply to.

Honestly. Do people really still believe this nonsense?

Persianpuss · 11/06/2024 00:26

I've heard that Canada is one of the worst places for this. But at least the madness is sexually equal, in the UK this nonsense only happens when it comes to the word "women". Men's products and cancer campaigns keep the word men.

CanadianJohn · 11/06/2024 00:22

It's probably worse over here. Our local health authority was advising "people with a prostate" to have a PSA test for prostate cancer.