Men can get Ovarian Cancer !

At the end of the day the campaign should just refer to ovarian cancer - signs and symptoms….

it can’t and shouldn’t say ‘oh unless you’ve had a total hysterectomy and no longer have ovaries’
or unless you have a medical condition meaning you are female but born without ovaries or are male but born with ovaries, or are a trans man….

Goodness…. We’ve become a hand holding society where everyone is so easily offended

Their campaign tag is "can men get ovarian cancer?" And they answer that with a line about "anyone with ovaries, regardless of gender identity", can get it. So they are saying that the answer to their question is yes. Men with ovaries can get ovarian cancer.

Eh?

Im assuming you mean intersex? Well they wouldn’t know… but no amount of wording would change that!

How does anyone know whether they have ovaries or not?

Exactly. So we're lying to everyone that there's a category of men that these women can be a part of. Then we have to lie again to suggest that ovarian cancer doesn't just affect women. It's lie on top of lie. No, enough. Respect for material reality needs to be the baseline.

It’s just ludicrous and pandering to a tiny minority.
On a related note, I see that one breast cancer charity actively avoids the use of the word ‘woman’ in their content. I appreciate that men can get breast cancer but it’s extremely rare. Breast cancer is predominantly a cancer that affects women. I have had it myself and I find it deeply disturbing that as a woman I am rarely mentioned.

@mindutopia - I’m wondering if intersex ‘men’ would even know they’re intersex… might not even know they have ovaries unless at some point in their life they have a CT scan…
Ive heard of intersex women not knowing until they never start having periods and then when delving deeper it’s discovered they have testicles which have grown inside them and no womb/ovaries. But men wouldn’t experience the same identifiable issue. Unless at puberty they develop breasts and hips of course

Also, HAVING a cancer that only affects women is surely more "confronting to your identity" than having to sit in a certain area of the hospital! Having doctors discussing your ovaries, having scans of them, possibly surgery on them, taking drugs for ovarian cancer will all be confronting to someone who thinks they're a man. Reality has a way of doing that.

In any case, if you've ever been to a gynaecologist you'll know there are plenty of men there supporting their wives/partners/friends/relatives.

That’s pretty much what they did say.
they said ‘anyone with ovaries, regardless of gender identity, can get ovarian cancer.

it’s just people like OP and stupid media who twisted that.

That's not even 'men with ovaries' that's 'men with some ovarian tissue'

Fantastic in theory.

I'd ask though how does a person in denial of their biological sex ever find out the names of all their internal organs?

Bearing in mind that many women who are not in denial of their sex don't even know what a cervix is.

We can't see it. We rarely refer to it. And nobody is allowed to point out which type of human has it.

Why not either

• Have a campaign directed purely at the trans community?
• Women get invited along for smears by invite every few years, why can trans men not receive public health information by mail? trans women receiving information about testicular and prostrate cancers in the same manor.
• Or the poster could just target ovarian cancer without mentioning sex/gender…. Or ‘people’ with ovaries…. it could just say

https://ihra.org.au/16601/intersex-numbers/

Outwardly looking men who have ovaries only account for an tiny proportion of those who fall in the intesex category. So it's 1 in 100,000 men with ovaries.

Because, as one of the Rules of Misogyny states, "Men are what they say they are. Women are what men say they are."

Or, men are humans. Women are a collection of parts and services for men's use.

Even if this is addressing a small minority of patients, using language which encourages people to seek treatment and to discuss accommodations with their treating team is important in making sure that they access the care and treatment that they need.

If necessary, use additive language.

Solely using language which is only suited to a small minority and ignores, excludes and alienates the vast majority of the people who need to hear the message is very bad communication.

I would have thought sitting in a gynae cancer waiting room full of women is awful at the best of times, without it also being very confronting to your identity and potentially very outing for you as a trans man or male-identifying person.

The reality is however, that they are female. No coerced language or dancing around the topic changes that. It's of no relevance to Mother Nature that they are 'male identifying' (whatever that means) and ultimately reality needs to be faced.

LD2A.0

Here you go - sorry about the huge link
https://www.findacode.com/icd-11/code-989785304.html#:~:text=Ovotesticular%20disorder%20of%20sex%20development%2C%20formerly%20called%20true%20hermaphroditism%2C%20is,both%20male%20and%20female%20structures.

Which section please? Hard to navigate the site on a phone.

I suspect they are doing this because trans men or those with gender difference conditions are ignoring their symptoms/not seeking advice out of embarrassment, or are being overlooked or missed when they do. I would have thought sitting in a gynae cancer waiting room full of women is awful at the best of times, without it also being very confronting to your identity and potentially very outing for you as a trans man or male-identifying person. Even if this is addressing a small minority of patients, using language which encourages people to seek treatment and to discuss accommodations with their treating team is important in making sure that they access the care and treatment that they need.

That's 500 cases recorded ever, just for clarity. So out of a much bigger population.

Well this is embarrassing for you. Look up the newer version - the ICD-11 - and you'll see that it's been replaced with disorders of sexual development.

That's not 'scientific fact' there are no true human hermaphrodites.

I believe the term is used to describe an extremely rare condition whereby a male can have some female reproductive cells in his body, but that doesn't mean the man has ovaries and it doesn't make him a hermaphrodite.

Are you saying that a human exists that is able to inseminate themselves, and gestate a baby that is born and survives, and can be both the genetic mother and father to that child?

Is there a news story about this? Can you link it? Thanks in advance.

It's not listed in ICD-11, dated 2024.

Instead there is
"Ovotesticular disorder of sex development, formerly called true hermaphroditism, is a rare cause of genital ambiguity characterised by the presence of ovarian and testicular tissue in an individual, leading to development of both male and female structures."

This DSD is one of the rarest, with only 500 cases recorded. Out of a current human population of 81.1 billion.

Wrong. You are very misinformed, @FluentRubyDog . There is no such thing as a human Hermaphrodite. It exists in other species, but not in the human species. There has never, in human history, been a human hermaphrodite. It's not even physically possible. So where you got that rubbish from I don't know.