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Men can get Ovarian Cancer !

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dottiedodah · 10/06/2024 13:27

I mean WTAF? (Source Telegraph) Ovarian Cancer Action has actually stated this.Would be bad enough generally ,but I am undergoing Treatment for this ATM, and just think it sounds ludicrous .Have been in touch with them before now and they seemed quite helpful .Feel a bit affronted ! AIBU they can say what they think,YANBU They should stick to the facts and not upset people already ill?

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MrsSunshine2b · 11/06/2024 12:33

Chersfrozenface · 11/06/2024 12:27

There's everything misogynistic about ignoring, excluding and alienating women and endangering the health of some of them with skewed messaging.

Including transmen does not exclude women. Get over yourself.

MrsSunshine2b · 11/06/2024 12:32

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 12:28

There is everything misogynistic with removing the word woman, and centring MEN over women. It's a very, very dangerous cult that represents the very embodiment and nucleus of Male Supremacy. When you refuse to say the word woman, you DEHUMANISE women.

No-one has removed the word women. Some people who get ovarian cancer are women. Some are men or non-binary. If you really think than men with cancer represent a dangerous cult, then there's no help for you. I'm a woman, I'm guessing you are also a woman. Good for you. I have ovaries and I am at risk of ovarian cancer. I also know people who are women but do not have ovaries, and I know men who do have ovaries. Perhaps you should mind your own business about people's internal organs.

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 12:28

MrsSunshine2b · 11/06/2024 12:24

There's nothing misogynistic about respecting the rights of transmen to be who they are. There's nothing misogynistic about respecting the rights of people with cancer to be treated according to their specific circumstances.

There is everything misogynistic with removing the word woman, and centring MEN over women. It's a very, very dangerous cult that represents the very embodiment and nucleus of Male Supremacy. When you refuse to say the word woman, you DEHUMANISE women.

Chersfrozenface · 11/06/2024 12:27

MrsSunshine2b · 11/06/2024 12:24

There's nothing misogynistic about respecting the rights of transmen to be who they are. There's nothing misogynistic about respecting the rights of people with cancer to be treated according to their specific circumstances.

There's everything misogynistic about ignoring, excluding and alienating women and endangering the health of some of them with skewed messaging.

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 12:27

An American feminist has said there is a court case there about a man who is refusing Prostate cancer treatment; he genuinely thinks he is now a woman so therefore doesn't need treatment for the prostate.

This, is how beyond FUCKED UP this whole Gender Ideology cult is and how it has lead to such ambiguous language and confusion, and lead to DEATHS. This is a mental illness and a mass social contagion that is causing deaths. This, is literally killing people! And anyone who is complicit with this cult has blood on their hands.

MrsSunshine2b · 11/06/2024 12:24

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 12:20

You mean CORRECTLY-SEXING. They, are deliberately 'misgendering' themselves. Take your misogynistic agenda elsewhere. Having cancer of SEX organs is a SEX-based issue. Not a 'gender identity' issue. That is why correct SEX-based language matters. Not mis-sexing.

There's nothing misogynistic about respecting the rights of transmen to be who they are. There's nothing misogynistic about respecting the rights of people with cancer to be treated according to their specific circumstances.

Cattenberg · 11/06/2024 12:21

Which is worst?

Hurting a trans person’s feelings by misgendering them, or a vulnerable woman missing out on an early diagnosis of cancer because she didn’t realise she was a “person with a cervix”/“person with ovaries”.

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 12:20

MrsSunshine2b · 11/06/2024 12:09

And yet you're here deliberately misgendering cancer victims.

You mean CORRECTLY-SEXING. They, are deliberately 'misgendering' themselves. Take your misogynistic agenda elsewhere. Having cancer of SEX organs is a SEX-based issue. Not a 'gender identity' issue. That is why correct SEX-based language matters. Not mis-sexing.

MrsSunshine2b · 11/06/2024 12:09

SoreAndTired1 · 11/06/2024 08:07

Transmen are WOMEN, @MrsSunshine2b .

"people with ovaries can get ovarian cancer." is the most controversial statement. ONLY WOMEN get ovarian cancer.

Saying women can get ovarian cancer is the less controversial, and most proper way.

As women, saying 'people with ovaries' is deeply dehumanising and offensive. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you. OP is already going through cancer for something ONLY women can get, and she not even granted being recognised as a woman by these misogynistic organisations!

And yet you're here deliberately misgendering cancer victims.

Hugosmaid · 11/06/2024 11:34

CactusMactus · 11/06/2024 11:09

I don't understand why we can't have:
Women
Men
Transmen
Transwomen
People

So women and transmen can get ovarian cancer.

On the surface that would be a lovely idea.

But in reality it’s caused dangerous disastrous results for women and children.

Even if you think adults should be able to do what they want - have a thought about what’s been happening to children. That’s unforgivable.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 11/06/2024 11:30

CactusMactus · 11/06/2024 11:09

I don't understand why we can't have:
Women
Men
Transmen
Transwomen
People

So women and transmen can get ovarian cancer.

And I don't know why we can't have:
Women
Men
Girls
Boys

Chersfrozenface · 11/06/2024 11:15

CactusMactus · 11/06/2024 11:09

I don't understand why we can't have:
Women
Men
Transmen
Transwomen
People

So women and transmen can get ovarian cancer.

Don't forget non binary people. Some of them can get ovarian cancer, too.

CactusMactus · 11/06/2024 11:09

I don't understand why we can't have:
Women
Men
Transmen
Transwomen
People

So women and transmen can get ovarian cancer.

AlisonDonut · 11/06/2024 10:10

T1Dmama · 11/06/2024 09:21

Eh?

Im assuming you mean intersex? Well they wouldn’t know… but no amount of wording would change that!

No.
How does a human who is not allowed to be called a girl any more know whether she or he or they or zhey or zhem has a cervix?

YourPithyLilacSheep · 11/06/2024 10:08

Hmmmmm, don’t you have to have ovaries to have ovarian cancer? And I don’t think men have ovaries. At least, that’s what I was taught at school. But was at school a long time ago. Maybe Homo sapiens has evolved quite rapidly in the last 40 years … [shrug]

LostTheMarble · 11/06/2024 09:48

T1Dmama · 11/06/2024 09:25

At the end of the day the campaign should just refer to ovarian cancer - signs and symptoms….

it can’t and shouldn’t say ‘oh unless you’ve had a total hysterectomy and no longer have ovaries’
or unless you have a medical condition meaning you are female but born without ovaries or are male but born with ovaries, or are a trans man….

Goodness…. We’ve become a hand holding society where everyone is so easily offended

At the end of the day the campaign should just refer to ovarian cancer - signs and symptoms….

And who specifically can get signs of ovarian cancer? Because in this generation yes we all know who you’re referring to. But eradicate the specifics enough and future generations won’t know that ovaries are specifically of one sex.

Goodness…. We’ve become a hand holding society where everyone is so easily offended

I mean yes, this is why in recent years simple, basic medical language has been changed or omitted to save the feelings of people with a belief system.

Ofcourseshecan · 11/06/2024 09:44

Men can get Ovarian Cancer

This is like those adverts advising “anyone with a cervix” to get screened. It’s worse than stupid. It confuses a lot of people and probably deters more from screening than it attracts.

Tough luck on anyone who’s not fluent in English, or hasn’t heard of transgenderism, or just doesn’t know all the vocabulary for internal organs.

LostTheMarble · 11/06/2024 09:44

Catopia · 11/06/2024 08:46

I suspect they are doing this because trans men or those with gender difference conditions are ignoring their symptoms/not seeking advice out of embarrassment, or are being overlooked or missed when they do. I would have thought sitting in a gynae cancer waiting room full of women is awful at the best of times, without it also being very confronting to your identity and potentially very outing for you as a trans man or male-identifying person. Even if this is addressing a small minority of patients, using language which encourages people to seek treatment and to discuss accommodations with their treating team is important in making sure that they access the care and treatment that they need.

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It’s strange isn’t it, how when it comes to female physiology we have to be inclusive to the small minority of women who can’t accept they’re women. Yet simply google male specific conditions and it’s only men that are mentioned. Why does the medical community not feel the need to push prostate exams for men and trans women for example?

Hugosmaid · 11/06/2024 09:43

The more head lines like this the better tbh as it highlights the absurdity of it.

The car park attendant ( retired police officer) who I chat with in the mornings was huffing about it the other day. 😁

smallchange · 11/06/2024 09:40

T1Dmama · 11/06/2024 09:14

@mindutopia - I’m wondering if intersex ‘men’ would even know they’re intersex… might not even know they have ovaries unless at some point in their life they have a CT scan…
Ive heard of intersex women not knowing until they never start having periods and then when delving deeper it’s discovered they have testicles which have grown inside them and no womb/ovaries. But men wouldn’t experience the same identifiable issue. Unless at puberty they develop breasts and hips of course

They would know at the point when their parents notice that their baby boy isn't peeing out of his penis because it isn't a penis.

In fact, they'd know at the point where a doctor examines the baby boy's testicles and realises that they aren't testicles but a fused labia.

DSDs of females and males don't tend to be interchangeable. It's perfectly possible (but v rare) for a condition that leads to lack of testosterone to result in genitals that look female externally but internal testicles. Because male genitals are more "out there", it's pretty obvious after relatively cursory inspection, that baby girls with severe CAH aren't actually boys.

Ovo-testes conditions are vanishingly rare.

PeonySeasons · 11/06/2024 09:33

T1Dmama · 11/06/2024 09:25

At the end of the day the campaign should just refer to ovarian cancer - signs and symptoms….

it can’t and shouldn’t say ‘oh unless you’ve had a total hysterectomy and no longer have ovaries’
or unless you have a medical condition meaning you are female but born without ovaries or are male but born with ovaries, or are a trans man….

Goodness…. We’ve become a hand holding society where everyone is so easily offended

I know, right? Imagine if they'd just said women?

PeonySeasons · 11/06/2024 09:31

TheOriginalEmu · 11/06/2024 09:12

That’s pretty much what they did say.
they said ‘anyone with ovaries, regardless of gender identity, can get ovarian cancer.

it’s just people like OP and stupid media who twisted that.

So why didn't they use the actual words to describe the people it's relevant to?

Do you think someone with a language barrier or who requires assistance with reading and comprehension will understand the soup used in place of specific words for the female sex aka women?

CocoapuffPuff · 11/06/2024 09:29

No trans identified female doesn't know she/he/they have ovaries. They're well aware of the fact that, unless they've had them removed, they have the exact same medical possibilities as every other female on the planet. Possibly higher chance actually, depending on what cross sex hormones and different drugs do to their physiology. I'm no expert but I can't imagine testosterone in larger doses than the female body can produce naturally comes without some side effects.

It's up to these trans identified females to look after themselves. It's not up to the rest of us to muddle our language into a muddy puddle because reality isn't something these individuals can handle, whatever the reason.

I would hope, really really hope, that whatever medical team is looking after these individuals are genuinely looking after them. If not, that's medical malpractice. I'd suggest that fucking around with 51% of the populations access to simple and understandable healthcare is ALSO medical malpractice.

Persianpuss · 11/06/2024 09:27

T1Dmama · 11/06/2024 09:25

At the end of the day the campaign should just refer to ovarian cancer - signs and symptoms….

it can’t and shouldn’t say ‘oh unless you’ve had a total hysterectomy and no longer have ovaries’
or unless you have a medical condition meaning you are female but born without ovaries or are male but born with ovaries, or are a trans man….

Goodness…. We’ve become a hand holding society where everyone is so easily offended

The problem is people being offended by the word women to describe women. We need to speak up against the erasure of the word we use to describe ourselves.

Persianpuss · 11/06/2024 09:25

T1Dmama · 11/06/2024 09:21

Eh?

Im assuming you mean intersex? Well they wouldn’t know… but no amount of wording would change that!

The point is that erasing the word woman causes confusion and is also offensive to most women. Cancer charities should not be causing confusion about who can get certain types of cancer.

And it's always the word woman that's deemed offensive isn't it. Ever seen an advertising campaign suggesting women should get their prostate checked?