Men can get Ovarian Cancer !

Some people who get ovarian cancer are women. Some are men or non-binary.

All are female. A tiny minority are females who wish they weren't female. So they call themselves men which means male, or non-binary, which doesn't really make sense. But they're still female.

Sorry I just don't understand your response.

Your friend wouldn't be diagnosed if...wearing trousers and a suit jacket? Are you quite sure?

When I said I didn’t know who I was anymore after surgical menopause and double mastectomy and losing my mum & sister the response was whether I’d considered I might now be a man?

Whaaaaaa? That is harmful (as well as outright offensive). What awful care you had @LeFromage - so sorry. I hope you found better counsellors and health care professionals.

Well, were Izzard female, izzard would be well past menopause so that makes him a middle aged man. Hoisted by his own petard.

Putting aside the completely irrelevant prefix to female, whether your friend is male presenting or is not the issue with lack of female related care. Women are listened to and cared for less because the whole history of medical care and researched is based on male physiology. Why do you believe that a male presenting woman is less likely to have their medical needs listened to less than other women?

Oh OP I wish you the best possible outcome for your treatment xxx

YANBU - its grotesquely offensive isn’t it?

and yes my family have BRCA1 and I have been told by my employers counselling (EAP) that if I identify as a man i will avoid dying from the ovarian & breast cancer plaguing the females in my family. It started with school telling my son it was possible to identify out of our particular cancer and then I was gobsmacked to find any counsellor I sought out felt they had to parrot this stance rather than support me in the distress it caused me. When I said I didn’t know who I was anymore after surgical menopause and double mastectomy and losing my mum & sister the response was whether I’d considered I might now be a man?

seems mental health professionals agree with SuzyEddie Izzard who said post menopausal women are just middle aged men

I suspect its a lot about educating professionals to consider ovarian cancer as well. My (CIS female) friend was fobbed off and told her symptoms were IBS for years. By the time she was diagnosed it was too late. I suspect if she had been outwardly presenting as male she might not even have got the diagnosis.

Nrtft but incidence of DSDs is 0.018% of live births.

Well this is it. There is not a single, solitary thought given to anyone else who might be affected by this language. Like only one tiny category of people matter. It's just extraordinary

An example of inclusivity: producing a leaflet aimed specifically at the small minority of breast cancer sufferers who are male, to help them understand and come to terms with their rare diagnosis and feel less isolated.

The gender ideology equivalent would be to give all breast cancer sufferers the leaflet written for men. Then to call any woman who objects a “bigot” and ban her from her breast cancer support group.

These women are just 'collateral damage' to the Gender Ideologists. Nothing matters except the cult. Women, girls, immigrants, people with English as a second language, no one. No one and nothing matters more than the misogynistic Gender Ideology cult. Nothing at all. Everything is acceptable collateral damage, including deaths. It's Jonestownian.

There's nothing misogynistic about respecting the rights of transmen to be who they are.

They are biological women and there's nothing you or they can do to change that. When it comes to a cancer like ovarian cancer, sex is what matters. Whatever these women 'feel' themselves to be is totally immaterial to that.

The reason I hate some of the “inclusive” language used in healthcare, is that it isn’t really inclusive at all. It’s vague and confusing when it needs to be clear and concise. People with learning difficulties and people aren’t fluent in English are particularly vulnerable.

Having worked with ESOL students, I can tell you that many of them emigrated to the UK from developing countries as adults, often due to war. As a consequence, many of them (especially the women) had little formal education growing up and have low levels of literacy in their first language, let alone English.

Which types of men get ovarian cancer?

Some people who get ovarian cancer are women. Some are men or non-binary.

This is just nonsense though and we really need to push back against such anti-science.

ALL people who get ovarian cancer are women. That is all.

All humans that get ovarian cancer are women. It’s that simple. They may personally hold beliefs that they are a different gender but that is irrelevant to basic biological medical needs.

And their circumstances when it comes to medical issues is based on their sex, which is female. Not their personal beliefs which is not a medical issue. Their rights are not impeded on by recognising their sex of being a girl/woman.

Except they are not merely included, they are the only ones mentioned. Women are excluded. Get over your science-denying flat earth programming.

In the same way that using the word women doesn't exclude transmen. Because they know they are biologically women.

Men don't have ovaries. Come on, you can't possibly believe that. Gender ideology is such an odd religion.

Including transmen does not exclude women.

Of course, not, because they are women.

Please stop lying!! Men do NOT get ovarian cancer. ONLY women get ovarian cancer. 'Non-binary' is not even a real thing. You sound brainwashed.

And no, you don't know ANY men who have ovaries. As it's not even physically possible. You don't even know what a male or a female is. You're an example of how confused this gender cult brainwashing makes people.

What do you mean "the rights of transmen to be who they are"? They are female. With ovaries. Women. They will be treated medically in the same way as all other women.

Although as an aside it would be interesting to find out whether using cross-sex hormones increases ovarian cancer risk. Women with PCOS (and naturally higher levels of testosterone) have an increased risk, so I would be surprised if women who take high levels of testerone don't have a much higher risk of ovarian cancer. I suspect there isn't enough data yet to know for sure.

Some people who get ovarian cancer are women. Some are men or non-binary.

Nope. Every person who is unfortunate enough to get ovarian cancer is a woman - human female. Some may be masculine (transmen) or androgynous, many will be gender nonconforming without feeling the need for a special label, it's nothing to do with gender, purely a matter of sex.

I also know people who are women but do not have ovaries, and I know men who do have ovaries.

Then the people you know are not men. Men do not have ovaries. Any more than bulls or stallions or billy goats do. It's a matter of mammalian biology, binary and immutable.