Men can get Ovarian Cancer !

What is also important to note is that A-level chemists are also required to use E-Z notation for these isomers.

E is "entgegen", from the German for "opposite"
Z is "zusammen", from the German for "together'

Cis as a relegation of women to a subset of their own sex, has only been used for about the last 10 years, and it is recognised that is can be used as an insult/people may find it offensive.

It's a bit like labelling everyone in the world as 'Christian' or 'non-Christian'.

A Hindu person may very well protest at being called a non-Christian, as it does not fit with their beliefs.

Edited for spelling error.

I have typed a similar message before, but I will include it again here.

Cis/trans are Latin terms, that are most usually associated with organic chemistry.

Cis means same, trans means across. There was Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul, mentioned in the 3rd and 4th centuries BC, to mean (in reference to Rome) "this side of the Alps Gaul" and "on the opposite aide of the Alps Gaul".

For organic chemistry, it refers to a form of isomerisation (same atoms, different 3D arrangement)

In these isomers, there is a double bond, which the chemical groups cannot rotate around. They are locked in place.

A chemical with two groups on the same side is called "cis-name of chemical". A chemical with the groups on the opposite side of the double bond is called "trans-name of chemical"

This is because they have different properties. From memory, one example has the trans isomer which does nothing, whereas the cis isomer is a chemotherapy drug.

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GrammarTeacher. I really hope you are not an actual teacher.

If you're going to insist on subsets, then men who want to present as women can just be a subset of men. Because whatever earrings they wear they are still always biologically male.

There’s no such thing as a ‘subset of woman’, how exactly would you begin to describe and define a different category of women without having to admit that anything outside a biological woman is simply male? And Cis is in no shape or form a scientific word, in fact its first use within the gendered context has extremely unsavoury connotations of predatory scientist. But then the whole gender ideology has been born out of bad science and eugenics.

No it really isn't.

It is a term that the AGPs use as a joke on their 'allies' because this is all down to their obsession with Cissy Porn which fuels this whole engine. Cissy Porn is how most of them got into this fetish.

I really wish people would look into what they are advocating for and supporting.

Cis is not a scientific term except in chemistry.

Cis isomers and trans isomers have different properties and aren't generally interconvertible.
And the cis/trans pairing that's used there there is a different meaning to the 'trans' prefix used of people for which there's no 'cis' equivalent. - there's no 'cis' analog of the word transition just like there isn't for transport, transplant, transpose, translate. It's a false back-construction.

No, it is not a scientific term. It's a misogynistic term used to HARM women.

And you are a WOMAN. Not a 'cis' woman. Get off your knees for the patriarchy!

PS To my knowledge the term 'cis' is banned on Mumsnet, so you shouldn't be using it anyway.

But it is NOT targetting just trans men, @GrammarTeacher . It targets ALL 'people with a cervix'.

It's not a separate campaign. If it was, you'd have a point.

Maybe because we’re still waiting to see a message targeted at ‘people with penises’ or ‘prostate havers’. It’s distilled misogyny.

And the truth is that this dehumanising language used instead of ‘women’ is NOT used to placate ‘transmen’. There was no epidemic of transmen thinking their ovaries had vanished and dying of ovarian cancer. It’s to appease ‘transwomen’, who want to divorce womanhood from female biology. That’s also the reason we don’t see ‘people with penises’.

Please tell me most nurses haven’t been brainwashed by gender ideology into denying biological reality. A man wouldn’t have ‘lady parts’ to tuck away

No it isn't. And women are not a subset of women. 🙄

Cis is not a scientific term except in chemistry.

And transwomen are not a subset of women, being men. There is therefore no need for any prefix to describe women, the human female sex class - just 'women' is correct and sufficient.

Cis is a scientific term like trans itself. And I was using it to mean a subset of women. Its usage may be contested (as queer is within the LGBTQ+ community) but it added clarity to my point. I am a cis woman myself.

It also lists retardation as a condition. Should we use that word?

Edited to add: although we're still using icd-10 in our trust, haven't got the new icd-11 yet. Can't wait, my icd book is falling apart!

Please don’t use the term “cis” when you simply mean “woman.”

Women are not a subset of our sex.

Leaflets and promotions targeting trans men don't replace campaigns that target cis women.
The NHS has a range of campaigns that target minority groups who find accessing services difficult for a range of reasons - including people with little English or low literacy levels as mentioned up thread.
This is not being done to exclude anyone, but to include as many as possible.

They're wrong. Men don't have ovaries. Basic stuff, should be corrected in the interests of transparent public health information.

I don't understand how doctors are allowed to give out cross-sex hormones (especially to supposedly treat a mental health condition) when there is no evidence that they are safe. It seems highly likely that giving women high amounts of testosterone is going to result in significant health problems, including cancer.

If someone is choosing to live by a personal gender ideology, the onus is on them to seek correct medical care if and when needed, not for the world to start saying ‘men can get ovarian cancer too’. They cannot.

And ultimately, all this points to are the problems that we store up when we pretend that women can be some class of a man.

They cannot. They are women. Ignoring reality is never a good strategy.

Given the significantly lower attendance rates of trans men and reproductive health appointments in general, the issue for oncologists is that if and when they finally do present with symptoms it's too late.

With all due respect, that is a choice of male presenting women. They are aware of their female biology and choose to ignore it for their gender beliefs. The whole medical community cannot change language to reteach women that they’re actually women, and should seek care based on their sex that they already know they’re a part of. The same medical community are not reminding trans women they need prostate exams or to check their testicles for lumps. Female healthcare is separate from male based on sex alone, because in humans there are only the two and you’re either one or the other despite how you present.

If someone is choosing to live by a personal gender ideology, the onus is on them to seek correct medical care if and when needed, not for the world to start saying ‘men can get ovarian cancer too’. They cannot.

Because that is the overwhelming evidence from the research data on trans men in a gynecologic cancer setting. It's a hot topic in cancer research at the moment as there is concern that some of the hormone treatments may be contributing to rates of ovarian and endometrial cancer in trans men who don't undergo gynae surgery. The problem for researchers in confirming the correlation at the moment is that the sample sizes are very small from which to collect data, so it's partially being extrapolated from data from PCOS and perimenopausal women.

In addition, across the board 75% of ovarian cancer cases are diagnosed in their late stages. Given the significantly lower attendance rates of trans men and reproductive health appointments in general, the issue for oncologists is that if and when they finally do present with symptoms it's too late.

Maybe read the research before attacking random strangers on the internet? I can provide links if you are actually interested in learning more about this issue.

Yes. The fact that biological men who insist they can change sex must be believed Vs. biological women who insist men can't change sex must be ignored - makes it perfectly obvious that Male Privilege still must be obeyed (even if he calls himself Sabrina).

No op I know exactly what you mean. Some people who identify as men may get ovarian cancer but that doesn’t mean “men get ovarian cancer “ which is simply not true. It’s political correctness gone mad.