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To ask school to stop sending me these texts?

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SquiglePig · 10/06/2024 10:51

I have 3 kids in same high-school.

They've started to send texts to parents everytime a child is late to a lesson, basically saying 'your child is late for lesson, please don't allow this to happen again etc'

My kids are never late to school in the mornings, ever.

It's my responsibility to get them into school on time, which I do.

I've had the discussion with them about getting to lessons on time but what can I actually do?

I feel like once they're on school grounds I don't really have physical control over how long it takes them to get to lessons even though I keep telling them.

Also it's not a text to my phone it's a text via the school messaging system which means I have to log in to see it.

I'm at work and I don't know if it's something important or not and have to check and I can get in trouble for being on my phone too much.

Please don't think this is me saying I have no responsibility over my children's behaviour in school, of course I do but I feel that I do not need to recieve a text every time one of them is late to arrive to a lesson when I've got them into school on time.

In my day there were teachers in the hall to usher kids to their lessons?

OP posts:
Skybluepinky · 10/06/2024 13:12

Sounds like yr kids behaviour needs addressing, as the parent its yr job.

HappyGoLucky96 · 10/06/2024 12:38

luckylavender · 10/06/2024 11:00

Honestly schools can't win. Parent your children

Awk behave ur self

pinkstripeycat · 10/06/2024 12:37

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 10/06/2024 11:05

Also, it's very unfair to say that the school shouldn't bother you because you're at your workplace and so you should be left undisturbed to get on with your work.

The teachers are in their workplace, and children who don't bother getting to lessons in time are preventing them from doing their job - which is to teach and not to herd wayward children.

Edited

Yes OP teachers are in their workplace and shouldn’t be bothered by children! 😂

Once the kids are in school SirAlfredSpatchcock part of their job is making sure the kids get to class. Teachers job isn’t just sitting at a desk and tapping the board with a ruler 😂

You are funny 🤣

LilyofftheValley · 10/06/2024 12:32

SuziQuinto · 10/06/2024 10:56

You have rightly discussed it with them, maybe the next step is your own sanction because your work is being disrupted.

100% this

WhenSunnyGetsBlue · 10/06/2024 12:30

I don't think you are being unreasonable. If kids are late, do they not get detention? I think the school should be dealing with lateness during school hours, not the parents. If they are persistently late then fair enough, the teacher can contact you to have a chat about their punctuality. I understand why you find it unreasonable to receive messages whilst you are working. If the school isn't careful it becomes like the boy who cried wolf. Too many notifications and you might miss something important. IMO, better to have a conversation if lateness is an issue rather than drip-feed text messages without any context. Why are they late? Do lessons finish on time? How far is it between classes? Is there a valid reason why they are late? If it's happening regularly with all 3 of your children, it suggests to me that there is something not quite right.

Houseplantmad · 10/06/2024 12:16

SwingTheMonkey · 10/06/2024 10:59

Kids, I’m fed up with constantly receiving messages saying you’re late to class. Either start being punctual, or the sanction at home will be x, y or z…

This.

Take some responsibility - the volume of texts you refer to shows that there is clearly an issue. They are disrupting lessons and the education of others by arriving late.

Sahara123 · 10/06/2024 12:13

And I’m not slagging pupils off, I’ve seen it with my own eyes on a daily basis. There are some fantastic pupils out there who don’t need telling by their parents to behave , they’ve been brought up to do so.

Moglet4 · 10/06/2024 12:10

Barrenfieldoffucks · 10/06/2024 11:27

It is so hard for some kids to on time for every lesson, especially the younger ones. The corridors are massive and crowded, they get lost etc. If there is no leeway from the teachers I don't know how they expect them to teleport from one end of the school to the other.

But yes, have a word with your kids and find out what the problem is.

Hm, amazing how it’s always the same 2 or 3 kids isn’t it? 🤔 Tgey don’t get lost after the first 2 weeks of year 7 (when allowances are made). After that, they’re farting or dicking about

Sahara123 · 10/06/2024 12:08

Spinet · 10/06/2024 11:55

It's really interesting that you jump straight to punishment and slagging off young people rather than actually thinking about some systematic change that makes them responsible for their own actions. My own school (years ago) gave a warning bell before the end of break times to help being on time, and it worked.

Teenagers tend to enjoy doing what their parents have told them not to, it's one of the features of teenagehood isn't it. Having parental crackdowns every ten minutes might get them to do the desired behaviour (unlikely) but is it going to make them self-motivated to behave well? No. Is it helping them to learn the correct course of action independently? No. It's the type of thing that results in adults at university claiming not to have been told how to do things or accepting any blame for wrongdoing, because their parents haven't been involved in chasing them to do it every 5 minutes.

You misunderstand,I haven’t explained myself very well. I’m not advocating detention, a previous poster was . And I should have said that the majority of pupils manage to get to class quickly . A warning bell at the end of break is fine, but between lessons this wouldn’t work.For the persistent minority who do cause disruption for the teacher and other pupils I do think that parents should be informed.
There’s a difference between a pupil being late for a specific reason, and a pupil who is late constantly.

SuziQuinto · 10/06/2024 12:00

@Spinet "teenagers tend to do the opposite..."
No. I teach hundreds of different teenagers. There are some with ODD, but it is rare.
However, mostly they understand organisation and the importance of punctuality.

bluewaxcrayon · 10/06/2024 12:00

You are still the parent. It doesn't matter if they are at school and you at work.

It should be your problem, as above, talk to your kid instead of moaning against the school

ColdExtremities · 10/06/2024 11:59

So an entire class and their teacher should put up with disruptions and interruptions to their work because of your children, but you shouldn’t?

SuziQuinto · 10/06/2024 11:57

I am well aware about students coming from different classes, @Nicelynicelyjohnson .
I have 7 in my GCSE group who come from a different block
They're a couple of minutes after the others, it's not a problem. Please realise that whatever problem you have identified - we've already identified it.
If someone doesn't want to do a GCSE because they have an issue with a ks3 teacher, I'm going to say that defies logic, and I've no idea why someone would make such an irrational choice about their future rather than the parent contacting school and getting a solution.

CammyChameleon · 10/06/2024 11:57

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 10/06/2024 11:49

But ALL messages that they send will be important to a greater or lesser extent. They aren't texting you to ask if you want to claim for being mis-sold PPI or to buy a duster for £35!

For something like boiler problems, snow days etc, a mass message is an ideal method of informing everybody quickly and efficiently. What else should they do - get all the staff to set up an ad-hoc call centre to phone every parent with the same message, and then find that lots of parents don't answer, or otherwise complain about being disturbed at work when they do?!

On the other hand, if your child had an accident or a medical episode requiring serious treatment (other than maybe a plaster or a couple of puffs of their inhaler before quickly feeling much better), THIS is when I'd expect them to call the parents.

Of course they're all important to some degree and it's not convenient to ring every parent about the boiler.

PP were suggesting OP ignore app messages while at work as anything urgent would be a phone call - I was merely pointing out that actually, the app messages can be more "urgent", such as making sure someone will be able to pick up/be at home for their child who needs to leave school unexpectedly!

sunshineandshowers40 · 10/06/2024 11:55

I kind of agree with you but we are both being unreasonable. My DC leave the house with plenty of time to get to tutor on time (5 min walk and they leave half hour before school starts) one is semi regularly late and I get an automated message. I have spoken to him but as his attendance is 97/98% I haven't put sanctioned at home as I think that school should first (he has never had a detention for being late).

Schools really can't win!

Spinet · 10/06/2024 11:55

Sahara123 · 10/06/2024 11:39

I suppose detentions are one way to go , although someone has to staff these detentions. From the magical spare time teachers have.
Another way is for parents to teach their children respect for others , and school, and not to meet up for a chat with their mates in the corridor, nor stop to Snapchat etc, go on social media. Or go to the water fountain and flick water everywhere. Or stop for a quick vape in the toilets. Just walk from a to b so that the teacher can check the register quickly and the lesson can start within minutes. Even the newest S1 ( Scotland) learns their way around within a very short time.

It's really interesting that you jump straight to punishment and slagging off young people rather than actually thinking about some systematic change that makes them responsible for their own actions. My own school (years ago) gave a warning bell before the end of break times to help being on time, and it worked.

Teenagers tend to enjoy doing what their parents have told them not to, it's one of the features of teenagehood isn't it. Having parental crackdowns every ten minutes might get them to do the desired behaviour (unlikely) but is it going to make them self-motivated to behave well? No. Is it helping them to learn the correct course of action independently? No. It's the type of thing that results in adults at university claiming not to have been told how to do things or accepting any blame for wrongdoing, because their parents haven't been involved in chasing them to do it every 5 minutes.

MuseKira · 10/06/2024 11:54

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 10/06/2024 11:51

Personally I don’t think you can opt out of these texts .

True, you probably can't; but there IS a very easy way to avoid receiving them!

That's true, but then you run the risk of not being aware of things that are happening and then you'd be whingeing on here that the school haven't informed you of a problem such as finishing early, short notice school closure, upcoming events, etc. Ultimately, any kind of messaging is in the recipient's control as to how often to check, scheduling their responses, etc.

Nicelynicelyjohnson · 10/06/2024 11:53

SuziQuinto · 10/06/2024 11:43

No. You misunderstand.
If it's the whole class, the individual child will not be registered as late.
If they are, it means that everyone else has arrived and they haven't.
It is communicating a problem to the parent. They then need to ask the children what the problem is.
No parent needs a "contextual email".
If the child is always later than other children, it's a problem.

The whole class is not always coming from the same place.
My DC had a issue getting from PE to history - so sometimes he and 3 others were late. All given detentions, which were then removed when the reasoning was explained - but I would get the detention email and then the detention cancelled email.
DS consequently did not take GCSE history as he said it just wasn't worth the hassle!

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 10/06/2024 11:51

Personally I don’t think you can opt out of these texts .

True, you probably can't; but there IS a very easy way to avoid receiving them!

Purpleyellowfootball · 10/06/2024 11:49

Personally I don’t think you can opt out of these texts .

I presume they are auto generated by electronic registers - so if the kid not marked as being there - the computer automatically sends a text.

If your kid has a genuine emergency at school - I’m pretty confident they would pick up the phone and call you . If it’s a text about the school trip / school fair / another reminder about appropriate uniform etc you again don’t have to interrupt your day and log in / action it that second .

log in at your convenience - if they have been late with no plausible reason - you bollock them / sanction them as you feel fit.

…don’t let their automated system ruin your day!

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 10/06/2024 11:49

CammyChameleon · 10/06/2024 11:28

I think YANBU because really, you don't need to be automatically texted umpteen times, a teacher should email/call you for a discussion if your kid/kids have a problem with consistent lateness within the school.

As for PP saying "if there were something important, the school would phone"...not necessarily...

DS2's school had boiler issues earlier this year, involving kids being sent home as soon as they turned up (sometimes by bus/taxi), being told "it's fixed" then an hour later "it broke again" etc.

All the communication from the school was via the app - when I phoned the school about arrangements for DS2, they didn't pass it on and his teacher messaged me on the app about it!

But ALL messages that they send will be important to a greater or lesser extent. They aren't texting you to ask if you want to claim for being mis-sold PPI or to buy a duster for £35!

For something like boiler problems, snow days etc, a mass message is an ideal method of informing everybody quickly and efficiently. What else should they do - get all the staff to set up an ad-hoc call centre to phone every parent with the same message, and then find that lots of parents don't answer, or otherwise complain about being disturbed at work when they do?!

On the other hand, if your child had an accident or a medical episode requiring serious treatment (other than maybe a plaster or a couple of puffs of their inhaler before quickly feeling much better), THIS is when I'd expect them to call the parents.

Housewife2010 · 10/06/2024 11:47

Would school send something urgent on the school messaging system? My children's school uses the messaging system a lot, but for urgent things - like when my child has to go home early, school will ring me.

LarkspurLane · 10/06/2024 11:45

SirAlfredSpatchcock · 10/06/2024 11:23

Does that apply with everything? Does the school get the right to decide whether your secondary-aged child is too ill to be in school, and take it out of your hands?

Do you leave them to fend for themselves for their evening meal? Maybe it's up to them to plan, buy and cook it; or if not, then it's the school's job?

This attitude is a huge problem in this country nowadays, where parents want all of the rights but none of the responsibilities of bringing up their own children. A secondary-aged child is (one would hope) more capable and responsible in a range of things than a little child would be, but they are still a child. Children need a lot of guidance, care and correction - and that is categorically what their parents are for. On the other hand, if you don't understand GCSE-level French verbs...? That is one that you can leave to the school, who will be more than happy to take the responsibility of helping your child.

I think the school should be more responsible for things that happen at school than the parent.

If the child is sick at school, then I would respect their judgement that the child should be sent home.
Obviously school would not be involved in the evening meal.

I wouldn't know what I could actually do to stop my child being late to a lesson. Of course I can remind them of the importance of punctuality and I could say "no playstation if you're late again" but I would rather this was dealt with at school if it was an occasional thing, but would like to be involved if it was a more serious problem, like, he's always late for history, or late for a lesson on a daily basis.
The consequence of a punishment at school, missing lunchtime, detention or whatever is more relevant to the "crime" than something a parent would impose.

SuziQuinto · 10/06/2024 11:43

CammyChameleon · 10/06/2024 11:39

But if the lateness is being reported via an automated message every time someone is put down as "late" in the register, it removes all context.

OP doesn't know if half the class were late after sprinting the long way round school, or if her kid fucked off to a vending machine and was the only one late, or what.

An email/phone call from a teacher saying "we know it can be hard to get from Classroom A to Classroom Z, but Harry is late much more often than the others in his year group and rarely has a good excuse" would give OP a clearer picture.

No. You misunderstand.
If it's the whole class, the individual child will not be registered as late.
If they are, it means that everyone else has arrived and they haven't.
It is communicating a problem to the parent. They then need to ask the children what the problem is.
No parent needs a "contextual email".
If the child is always later than other children, it's a problem.

Sahara123 · 10/06/2024 11:43

CammyChameleon · 10/06/2024 11:33

This is so true, I remember having a nightmare at secondary sometimes, especially with "stairs for going up, stairs for going down, one way hall ways" etc making the journey longer or if you had to shower and get changed after PE (we had to change into swim suits to shower after PE and therefore get changed twice!)

Gosh yes, showers after PE !
Doesn't happen now, no time, although on another thread this week some people seem to be happy with their children wearing their PE kit to school, and all day after PE. 🤢ever been into a classroom of sweaty adolescents?

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