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dramalamma · 10/06/2024 06:05

Background is DS is just finishing up primary and really looking forward to starting his neW secondary school in sept. He's had a really tough time being low-level but constantly bullied and ostracised this year and the school haven't handled it very well - to the extent that the other parents dont know about it.
He's been really looking forward to this new start so i was a bit dismayed to be added to a whats app group of other mums in the year (most of whom i dont know) who's kids are all going to the same school - there are quite a few. Theyve all been talking about how wonderful it will be that their kids all know each other etc etc and im now panicking that this attitude towards him is going to spread to rhe new school.
I want to send the following note to the group - would i be reasonable to do that or is it going to make things worse? Happy to accept suggestions for amendments too!

Hi all, Im going to stick my neck out here and ask you all a massive favour. My son DS has had a really tough time at school this year. You’ve probably not heard anything about it but the whole class has been involved. He’s basically become the class (and beyond) target to the extent that they will all ignore him and play a game at playtime called “stay away from DS”. As far as we can tell the only thing he’s done to deserve this is be a bit different and be an easy target having only joined the school later.
Im not writing this to blame anyone - I’m sure none of the ringleaders are in this group but they have all been involved because pretty much everyone in the class has.
The reason I’m telling this now is to ask you to have a word with your kids before the induction this week and remind them that everyone deserves a fresh start at secondary school and that we should leave things like this behind and don’t ruin other peoples’s chances to make new friends. I don’t care if they ignore him, just don’t spread nasty games and prejudices to a new school so everyone has a chance to find their tribe and so DS can leave this difficult time behind him.
I’ve also had this conversation with DS about giving everyone a clean slate in the new school. I know as parents you’ll all understand. Thank you.

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camomilly · 10/06/2024 08:19

I'm sorry you're going through this.

Can you send him to a different school? I absolutely would. Sometimes these situations are just too toxic.

You're correct to identify it's probably going to happen again at the new school, poor boy

Marblessolveeverything · 10/06/2024 08:00

Don't have the conversation or texts. It would be fine coming from the school but not the individual parent.

All it will take is one parent mentioning it to their child and that will spread and put a bigger target on his back .

WittiestUsernameEver · 10/06/2024 07:57

You say they have "days" left?

But surely they have 6 weeks??

I'd be going the head teacher tbh.

Hiddenvoice · 10/06/2024 07:52

Personally I wouldn’t send that message nor would I say anything to the parents at sports day. It won’t be received well!
The school is at fault for not doing more. I know you say you’ve done everything you can so I would focus on getting him excited for secondary school and preparing him for it. I’d phone and ask to speak to the new head of year for his first year and explain the situation, That way they are aware of it.

Treacletreacle · 10/06/2024 07:52

Secondary school these bullies will find they are now small fish in a bigger pond. Children generally make new friendship groups with children from different schools. I would just keep working on your sons confidence and resilience to these kids. Ive always told my son that sadly he will always have at least one arsehole in his class and will be the same once he starts working so its a good life lesson in how to deal with other people. They spend so much time in year 7 lost trying to find their way around bigger buildings and its not so cool at break time to be playing primary school games that im sure these bullying boys will stop. If not, talk to your sons form tutor they won't want any of that happening on their watch.

Okayornot · 10/06/2024 07:36

Unfortunately some of the recipients will immediately tell their children that they have received your message and what it says. While I think the message is a good one in tone those children who are bullies will use this as an excuse to treat your son badly.

Instead, speak to the school he is going to. Explain the issues he has had. I see what you say about streaming but they may be able to do more than you think. For example, head of y7 could have a word with the whole year when they start about not tolerating bullying, and that y7 is a chance for all of them to make new friends and grow up a bit. Hopefully in a bigger school your son will find his tribe.

Oblomov24 · 10/06/2024 07:34

A big brother in a year above always helps! Grin

HelpMebeok · 10/06/2024 07:32

I wouldn't send it. I don't think it will help and it could potentially make things worse.
Just because the other kids knew about it doesn't mean they all took part and I think individuals parents would be cross you had made assumptions about their child.

SpringerFall · 10/06/2024 07:31

No chance of this planet would I send that, if my child started and had issues I would address it with the school which is the only appropriate action

Elasticatedtrousers · 10/06/2024 07:29

Mum and teacher here of children similar age. Absolutely do not send this.

This could make things a lot worse for your son.

My advice would be to contact the secondary school and ask for your child to be given a new start by not placing him in a tutor group with any of his previous classmates. I’d also request a meeting with his primary teacher to discuss what has happened and ask if they can address it without singling him out eg through some PSHE work.

Work to develop his confidence over the summer holidays with activities and adventures. Help him build the resilience to deal with stuff on his own.

Houseplantmad · 10/06/2024 07:28

Do not send the message.
Do not raise it at sports day.
Do speak to the new school - even with streaming they can help. If they don’t know, they can’t.
Do empower your child to deal with this kind of behaviour. DC went though a similar issue in Y6 and it was only when we gave them a few key phrases to use at the others that the bullying stopped. We made sure we were in the playground at drop off when those messages were first delivered to back up our child.

ManilowBarry · 10/06/2024 07:25

Don't send that.

Spend your time empowering your son and building him up so that he doesn't get bullied and can stick up for himself.

You write - 'He's had a really tough time being low-level but constantly bullied and ostracised this year.'

I bet you wouldn't have gone into work for a year if you were being low level bullied!

He probably just accepts it as the norm after all that time.

Get him involved in judo where he can learn to defend himself and build up his self esteem.

Sending that letter will just make him be ridiculed further.

entiawest · 10/06/2024 07:23

Absolutely do not send this. It's very inflammatory and will cause even more problems for your son. (By inflammatory I don't mean it's untrue, just that it will stir things up and provoke nasty responses)

Speak to the secondary school. And if you're not happy with the response then I would move heaven and earth to get him to a different school. Even if the logistics are tricky. He'll have 7 years at the next school, it needs to be right.

And please don't rely on 6ft big brother as some sort of 'deterrent' - that's not fair on either boy.

dramalamma · 10/06/2024 07:22

Oh gosh theyre going to miss their bus if i dont stop posting!! Thank you for all the suportive messages and advice - will pop back later to reply properly.... maybe while enduring the ridiculously long sports day!

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Globules · 10/06/2024 07:20

No no no no no no no

Sending the message will make it even more of an issue

Get the current primary to address it better and now.

Year 7s don't really play that sort of playground game, so it's unlikely to continue into secondary.

Help your son develop strategies to deal with bullies, as there's likely to be far worse stuff that may happen at secondary.

dramalamma · 10/06/2024 07:18

For those of you who suggested a different school..... this has been a long road but theyd all have the same issue as there are limited options for boys. And the one hes going to is the most accepting (and has his 6ft brother in a higher class so maybe that will help! 😁)

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dramalamma · 10/06/2024 07:15

@Bernadinetta they all happen to be boys who are going yo the new school so all boy mums in the group. Both schools mixed but a very imbalanced year with inly a handful of girls (and a small class) so jts mostly been boys whove been the problem.

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Maddy70 · 10/06/2024 07:15

Please do not send this...... it will cause your son to be bullied!!!

He will meet new friends at high school. They will cling to each other in the first week or so as theyre little fishes in a big pond. He will be fine.

Just add a cheery message saying you can't believe theyre all about to go to high-school. Hope they all settle quickly

OhMyReallyYouAbsoluteMoose · 10/06/2024 07:13

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Anxiousheartbeat · 10/06/2024 07:12

Littleststone · 10/06/2024 07:10

My experience is primary schools don’t speak to parents and are also terrible at dealing with bullying. They don’t have the staff to supervise at properly, specially at breaks, and the staff on playground duty spend the time chatting to each other, not really observing what is happening.

my experience is the opposite but DC go to a private school - which I know on MN is the devil’s work but they seem to deal with this stuff pretty well.

I find it shocking that this situation has been allowed to continue.

MarieJG87 · 10/06/2024 07:11

This is bullying!!!!!!!! Had you spoken with the primary school about the issues? If so what was the outcome?? If you had spoken to the primary school I would absolutely be contacting the parents! I would have a long time ago! To the person who said it will ruin your son bullying is absolutely a life ruiner!!! I would definitely send the message and also speak to the school!! The parents need to made aware of the situation so they deal with there children accordingly! I absolutely hate bullying and I would be ever so grateful if I received that text!!!

Littleststone · 10/06/2024 07:10

Anxiousheartbeat · 10/06/2024 06:27

Your school has totally let you down I have no idea how it’s reached this stage and no one has spoken to the parents.

you can’t really - IME parents don’t like to ever accept or blame their children for anything and if they school had discussed with them they may have listened, but you doing it will go down like a lead balloon.

flag with new school.

My experience is primary schools don’t speak to parents and are also terrible at dealing with bullying. They don’t have the staff to supervise at properly, specially at breaks, and the staff on playground duty spend the time chatting to each other, not really observing what is happening.

Bernadinetta · 10/06/2024 07:10

dramalamma · 10/06/2024 07:03

Thats not what i said. One of the ringleaders is in the group. Theyre al boys - all fhe biys participated in the game. Not sure the value in nitpicking the situation - i cant give you every detail or id be here til 6th form!

They’re all boys? Do you mean it’s an all boys school? Or that all the boys were involved in the bullying but not the girls? Actually I remember you mentioned they tried to recruit your DD so not an all boys school?

dramalamma · 10/06/2024 07:05

@HysteriaOfTheWanderingWomb thank you - rhats what im choosing to do right now. (While also addressing it as a bigger issue in the school in other ways)

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Mamofteenager · 10/06/2024 07:05

Depending on the size of his new school there will likely only be 3 or 4 children from the same primary in his form. This is usually a mix of 2 boys and 2 girls. You may find that they will try to stick to your DS initially as he is a familiar face as they start to feel they are very much "a small fish in a big pond" . Issues from primary hopefully are left behind as they all try to navigate their new surroundings and establish new friendship groups. The parents may want them to remain in the current friendship groups but this if often not the case as due to to set up of classes etc the reality is they simply won't even see each other