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dramalamma · 10/06/2024 06:05

Background is DS is just finishing up primary and really looking forward to starting his neW secondary school in sept. He's had a really tough time being low-level but constantly bullied and ostracised this year and the school haven't handled it very well - to the extent that the other parents dont know about it.
He's been really looking forward to this new start so i was a bit dismayed to be added to a whats app group of other mums in the year (most of whom i dont know) who's kids are all going to the same school - there are quite a few. Theyve all been talking about how wonderful it will be that their kids all know each other etc etc and im now panicking that this attitude towards him is going to spread to rhe new school.
I want to send the following note to the group - would i be reasonable to do that or is it going to make things worse? Happy to accept suggestions for amendments too!

Hi all, Im going to stick my neck out here and ask you all a massive favour. My son DS has had a really tough time at school this year. You’ve probably not heard anything about it but the whole class has been involved. He’s basically become the class (and beyond) target to the extent that they will all ignore him and play a game at playtime called “stay away from DS”. As far as we can tell the only thing he’s done to deserve this is be a bit different and be an easy target having only joined the school later.
Im not writing this to blame anyone - I’m sure none of the ringleaders are in this group but they have all been involved because pretty much everyone in the class has.
The reason I’m telling this now is to ask you to have a word with your kids before the induction this week and remind them that everyone deserves a fresh start at secondary school and that we should leave things like this behind and don’t ruin other peoples’s chances to make new friends. I don’t care if they ignore him, just don’t spread nasty games and prejudices to a new school so everyone has a chance to find their tribe and so DS can leave this difficult time behind him.
I’ve also had this conversation with DS about giving everyone a clean slate in the new school. I know as parents you’ll all understand. Thank you.

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Chillilounger · 10/06/2024 09:30

Don't send it. Do go into school and make a fuss. We had the same with my Dd in year 6. I went into complain and the whole class got a bollocking and parents were informed ( but by school so officially and not just me seen as being a crank). I am glad because my Dd now is best mates with one of the girls who was mean, and actually is a lovely girl away from some of the other instigators, and is thriving. Kids!

Life2Short4Nonsense · 10/06/2024 09:30

Imbusytodaysorry · 10/06/2024 09:22

You have read the post wrong .

I don't think so

Whatadipstick · 10/06/2024 09:30

You have my sympathies @dramalamma My daughter had a rough time 2022/23 in primary. I don’t know if I tackled it the right way but the children in question have given her a wide berth this year. She’s off to secondary in September too and I so want her to be happy there. Good luck xxx

WestEndWindy · 10/06/2024 09:26

Don't send it.

I'm sure most parents would take that in the spirit it was sent and try to help but it just takes one parent to kick off, make fun of it to their child and make the whole thing worse. Talk to the new school. Encourage your son to join lunchtime clubs where he might be people with similar interests. Everything changes at secondary in my experience. Friendship groups all change and everyone will be focussing on that and hopefully your son will get a break and find his tribe. Good luck.

TheTartfulLodger · 10/06/2024 09:26

The fact you've made a load of noise about this and pushed it already, but your child tells you it's still happening is your clue here that telling the parents won't stop it happening either. The thing to remember on entering secondary school is there will be lots more children from lots more different schools and dynamics will change. You will probably find he will fall off the radar and other children will become the new targets for attention anyway.

Imbusytodaysorry · 10/06/2024 09:22

Life2Short4Nonsense · 10/06/2024 09:19

I second what other posters have said here. Definitely don't send that. As awful as what happened to your son is, the parents of the new school are not to blame, nor are they responsible.

If you want to send a message, make it positive. Something like this:

"Hey, it's great to meet you all. My son came from x school and is very much looking forward to starting the year."

Start off on a good footing. Every school is different. Just because your son got bullied in his last school, doesn't mean he will here. Don't assume that without intervention the same dynamic will develop.

You have read the post wrong .

Life2Short4Nonsense · 10/06/2024 09:19

I second what other posters have said here. Definitely don't send that. As awful as what happened to your son is, the parents of the new school are not to blame, nor are they responsible.

If you want to send a message, make it positive. Something like this:

"Hey, it's great to meet you all. My son came from x school and is very much looking forward to starting the year."

Start off on a good footing. Every school is different. Just because your son got bullied in his last school, doesn't mean he will here. Don't assume that without intervention the same dynamic will develop.

Imbusytodaysorry · 10/06/2024 09:16

No way would I send that .
It will not be easy to hear that your child isn’t being nice, but in this situation a group chat to all the parents of these kids is only going to get their backs up , and have them all on the one side and your son and yourself will be further alienated.

Why haven’t you spoken to any of these people before now ?
Can you pressure the old school to speak to the parents ?
Can you see any of these parents one on one ?

Id also speaks to the new school.

I would be firmer in the new year and make sure you don’t stand for any of this .
Why has nothing more been done to stop it all before now ?

RedHelenB · 10/06/2024 09:11

PBandJ111 · 10/06/2024 06:12

no!! Do not send this! You will create issues for your son before he’s even started! Let him go and make new friends. Seriously, you’ll damage your child by sending that.

This.

PurpleChrayn · 10/06/2024 09:11

Too right I would be sending it. And I would send an individually crafted message to each of the parents.

theresnolimits · 10/06/2024 09:11

You really need to speak to the pastoral lead at the secondary school to ensure your son is separated. Secondary schools are huge compared to primary and have a wide catchment so it should be perfectly possible to separate them streaming or not.

My DC had a similar situation ~ never spoke to any of his primary fellows again at secondary and forged a fantastic group of friends.

If anything rears its head, straight in to the secondary. When they’re little year 7s it’s easier to address.

Don’t send the message. Parents can’t really control what goes on in school ~ you really need to work with the school.

Snappers3 · 10/06/2024 09:10

Definitely do not send that text.
You will be marking him out even more.
Your poor boy.
I would be looking to schedule a meeting with the new school to emphasis how seriously you want this taken.
You must haveca relationship with them as your older son attends the same school.
Having a much older brother at the school is a real positive.
Make sure he and his friends are seen to engage with him.
I think outside of school friends are essential to keep the importance of school in its place.
Figure out what you want from the school and communicate it clearly.
Good luck.

MimiGC · 10/06/2024 09:09

My experience of seeing two children through the primary to secondary transition is that all previous relationships get a get good shaking up. My son went to secondary with two of his closest friends from primary and from day one they were no longer good friends. No falling out or anything like that, they just met other kids and it happened naturally. Also remember, that the kids who are the big fish in the little pond of primary school become the little fish in the huge pond of secondary.
I wouldn't send the message, but would wait and see what happens at secondary school first. But be ready to act swiftly at the first sign of anything.

caringcarer · 10/06/2024 09:02

I think as there is still a little bit of time left before they finish junior school you should go in to see Headteacher and explain you are not happy with the situation currently because your DC is being bullied and excluded and want them to tackle it immediately. Ask to see a copy of the bullying policy too. Make them stick to it. This could get resolved before school breaks up.

Spinet · 10/06/2024 09:02

Don't send the message especially if the mums are cliquey. All kids can be little shits at times but kids who are little shits for an extended period of time tend to have bastard parents who actually have no interest in sorting this stuff out as long as their kid is top of the pecking order. If you are not like this it can take a really long time to understand that because you assume that like yourself everyone is trying to bring up their kids to be basically decent human beings. Some have a more competitive outlook on life. Don't engage with it.

Haffdonga · 10/06/2024 08:54

By asking other families to discuss the possibility of continuing his primary school bullying into secondary school, you are drawing attention to your ds's situation as a potential victim of bullying in the new school. He would become the topic of conversation in all those families over the schools holidays. It would draw attention to him as someone with potential to be vulnerable to possible future bullies. Most of those dcs and their families are probably feeling terrified of going to high school and hoping for a clean start too.
Personally I think it would be better to appeal to their positive sides and not mention ds's bullying specifically. Instead wish them all luck and say you're sure their dc will be supportive of ds and each other and you'd be really grateful if the parents contact you if their dc hear that your ds has had any difficulty.

cooldarkroom · 10/06/2024 08:52

I bumped in to a childhood friend a while ago, she said she was standing outside school & a mother of a kid in her son's class walked up to her & loudly said she couldnt accept it any more, "What ?" The mother then went on to tell her if the bullying & misery her son caused in school. She had had No idea.
She was totally unaware (she said)
I personally think it might be helpful to confront these other mothers, & ask them to parent their children, instill some decent values, & not ruin other children's lives. How would they feel if their precious little bully boy was the one shunned. They are going to a new school, they should be told to leave your son in peace

dramalamma · 10/06/2024 08:48

ichangedforthisone · 10/06/2024 08:39

When I was 11, I did the eleven plus and got into Grammar School. I was offered a place by all the local Grammars and deliberately chose a school no one else was interested in from my junior school, not the 'best' school, so that I could get away from the bullies. My mum wasn't bothered which school I went to so I got to pick, I never told her why!

Feeling that the bullies will follow you to your next school and spoil it for you is the worst thing. One girl did eventually pick the same school as me (she wasn't offered a place at the posh Girls Grammar) and suddenly became nice as pie when she realised I was the only other one that was likely to go there, but she didn't get in there either in the end, I was so relieved.

Oh i hear you! Well done for making that positive choice for yourself! I had to leave the country to escape my bully at 11 so i can totally understand your decision (and thinking about it this might explain why im so anxious around this now!! I really want my kids to have a better experience than i did!)

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dramalamma · 10/06/2024 08:45

MrsGlennBulb · 10/06/2024 08:24

I had the same problem over bullying, my small and gentle DD was completely ostracised. I did quietly contact DD’s class teacher, more than once, but without DD ever knowing. They made the right noises but were bloody useless.

My DD endured a vile final year at junior school.

Don’t send that message OP. In my case all the school mums knew the score but were too cowardly to do the right thing for fear of repercussions on their own kid. They simply ganged together, all as bad as their kids really. I even had one approach me in a supermarket to say she knew all about it but her little angel wasn’t involved!

Close to the end of the final term I was approached by the junior school headmaster privately. He told me to make the senior school fully aware of the situation. I told him that was his job surely. He said it was and he would be doing that but back up from me would help. (Looking back I can’t believe I didn’t just do this anyway, but I was a lot meeker then than I am now.)

Senior school staff want to know what trouble is coming their way, so they can avoid it. They put DD in a class away from all the other junior school girls. She had a completely fresh start and quickly made a new group of friends and blossomed.

The problem simply stopped.

Edited

Im so sorry to hear about your DD - and so great that shes thriving now!
Do you think it helped the head having a word with the new school? I hadnt thought of that and im sure our head would but probably only if i asked. (He is good but v new to the school).

Im a lot less meek now too having been through similar (and worse) with DS1 but being an outsider in a tight community with very defined lines and old-fashioned thinking still makes me second guess myself a lot!

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Dulra · 10/06/2024 08:41

So sorry to hear this, bullying like this is so subtle and damaging. My dd1 had an experience of exclusion bullying in primary school she is now nearly 17 and unfortunately she is still scarred from it, quite low in confidence and finds it hard to trust friends. In my experience of my daughter quite a lot were involved but there was one ring leader and everyone else followed their lead for fear of being her next victim.

I think sending a text is a good idea but I would frame it that your ds has had a tough year and has been excluded quite a bit in class. I wouldn't go into anymore details than that and would definitely not suggest their kids were specifically involved because people will just get defensive. Just say your ds is looking forward to a fresh start. and to meet new people. Keep this bit but change slightly The reason I’m telling this now is to ask you to have a word with your kids before the induction this week and remind them that everyone deserves a fresh start at secondary school and and that we should leave things like this behind and don’t ruin other peoples’s chances to give everyone the chance to be able to make new friends.

ichangedforthisone · 10/06/2024 08:39

When I was 11, I did the eleven plus and got into Grammar School. I was offered a place by all the local Grammars and deliberately chose a school no one else was interested in from my junior school, not the 'best' school, so that I could get away from the bullies. My mum wasn't bothered which school I went to so I got to pick, I never told her why!

Feeling that the bullies will follow you to your next school and spoil it for you is the worst thing. One girl did eventually pick the same school as me (she wasn't offered a place at the posh Girls Grammar) and suddenly became nice as pie when she realised I was the only other one that was likely to go there, but she didn't get in there either in the end, I was so relieved.

dramalamma · 10/06/2024 08:37

Thank you for all your considered responses. I appreciate them.
I live jn a weird place (uk but weird! 😂) - there really arent any other options for him. And the school has a grammar stream so the most academically able kids are all put in the same class. I thought theyd all be in that stream but DH has just told me he thinks several of them wont which is good news!
And wont send the note and Im going to phone the new school and speak to the head of year and explain the situation.

Its really helped to hear you all say its bullying and not acceptable - i know its not but his teacher is very old school and makes you feel paranoid for even suggesting its stil ongoing ("because i havent seen it happen") 🤔 Hes really minimised it and made it seem like DS was at fault for lettting it happen. I have made a fuss but then its all died down and done with as far as the school are concerned even tho im still getting reports from younger DC that its still happening. Ill respect his wishes to leave it until he leaves then go and have another word with the head.
Right now im concentrating on love bombing him (in the nice use of that word!) and building him up as much as i can. Hes such a lovely boy but hes not sporty and is very much his own person so he stands out. Just got to hope hes not so much of a target at senior school.
Btw the mention if DS1 being at the school wasnt meant as a threat - hes a gentle giant! But more that hed have a little bit of cudos for having an older brother but i can see how that came across.

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Rockfordpeach · 10/06/2024 08:25

Your poor boy, bullying breaks my heart. My DD had a really tough time in Year 6 and left friendless and self esteem on the floor. I had a meeting with her secondary school prior to her starting and they were more than happy to put her in a tutor group away from her bullies. She's in year 9 now and has a little group of lovely friends, none of whom are from her primary school. I really hope your boy has a similar experience

MrsGlennBulb · 10/06/2024 08:24

I had the same problem over bullying, my small and gentle DD was completely ostracised. I did quietly contact DD’s class teacher, more than once, but without DD ever knowing. They made the right noises but were bloody useless.

My DD endured a vile final year at junior school.

Don’t send that message OP. In my case all the school mums knew the score but were too cowardly to do the right thing for fear of repercussions on their own kid. They simply ganged together, all as bad as their kids really. I even had one approach me in a supermarket to say she knew all about it but her little angel wasn’t involved!

Close to the end of the final term I was approached by the junior school headmaster privately. He told me to make the senior school fully aware of the situation. I told him that was his job surely. He said it was and he would be doing that but back up from me would help. (Looking back I can’t believe I didn’t just do this anyway, but I was a lot meeker then than I am now.)

Senior school staff want to know what trouble is coming their way, so they can avoid it. They put DD in a class away from all the other junior school girls. She had a completely fresh start and quickly made a new group of friends and blossomed.

The problem simply stopped.

dramalamma · 10/06/2024 08:19

WittiestUsernameEver · 10/06/2024 07:57

You say they have "days" left?

But surely they have 6 weeks??

I'd be going the head teacher tbh.

We're not in england - holidays start at the end of of june here and the top class finish even earlier

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