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If anyone works in the nhs please can you shed any light on this holiday allowance?

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nalzer · 08/06/2024 18:06

I want to know if my ex (Dd’s) dad is telling me the truth.

He says if he doesn’t use his holiday allowance then he doesn’t get to roll it over or get paid for it. Surely you get paid for holiday if you don’t take it?? That’s what’s always happened in my work but I work in the private sector in finance.

He is basically saying he hasn’t been able to take the leave and now will lose it and not be paid for it either. Is this right? He is a fellow if that makes a difference.

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nalzer · 08/06/2024 18:39

Hopefulbride18 · 08/06/2024 18:29

This seems a strange time of year to be having this conversation... The NHS leave year runs April to April. So he just needs to take all of this year's leave by next April.

@Hopefulbride18 he said he joined the trust last July on a 12 month contract. Could this be a lie?!

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FooFighter99 · 08/06/2024 18:39

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 08/06/2024 18:36

he has a holiday allowance of 28 days but claims he’s not taken any

Then he's a monumental idiot. It's hard to understand how someone could be that stupid.

He would never have been able to carry over anywhere near 28days at any employer I've ever worked for, whether in the public or private sector. (And no, none of them would have paid it either!)

We’ve got a Consultant at our Trust who has somehow managed to carry over about 2 years worth of leave - due to covid and staffing issues etc, he hasn’t been able to take his leave. Now he’s facing the prospect of losing it and not getting paid for it.

It does happen.

Destiny123 · 08/06/2024 18:38

Drs can get paid for unused leave if can show have been denied ability to take it cos of staffing which is v common especially when rotating often

Doesn't make sense to though as only paid for an 8h day despite our normal day shift being 10h

FooFighter99 · 08/06/2024 18:36

At our Trust, they haven’t let us carry any over this year, because we’re up financial shit creek, our paddle has been stolen by the Tories and NHSE are monitoring our spending.

So if he’s at a Trust like mine, if he didn’t manage to take all his leave then it’s tough, he loses it.

And I can imagine, as a Fellow, he hasn’t been able to use it all because of staffing issues.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 08/06/2024 18:36

he has a holiday allowance of 28 days but claims he’s not taken any

Then he's a monumental idiot. It's hard to understand how someone could be that stupid.

He would never have been able to carry over anywhere near 28days at any employer I've ever worked for, whether in the public or private sector. (And no, none of them would have paid it either!)

TeenLifeMum · 08/06/2024 18:35

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 08/06/2024 18:31

I agree. I'm always horrified when people tell me (often sounding bizarrely proud of it!) that they don't use their annual leave. It's the equivalent of handing back some of your salary to your employer.

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Yep, I have one colleague who seems very proud he doesn’t use his holiday. Work is his life. It’s a bit tragic. But then my line manager is really difficult about signing off leave. I realised the other day I’ve not had a full week since last August and even then I wasn’t allowed the week I wanted. Shockingly I have a fortnight this year in the summer and I cannot wait!

KeyWorker · 08/06/2024 18:32

I work for the NHS on AfC and we are only allowed to carry 1 week over. We are expected to put requests for AL in equally throughout the year (with some limitations on key weeks). I’m not sure what the medics situation is but legally the organisation has to allow time for AL even if that means your AL is allocated and not specifically when you want it. What has his union said on the matter?

CassandraWebb · 08/06/2024 18:32

bridgetreilly · 08/06/2024 18:26

I have never worked anywhere that pays you not to use your annual leave. Is that even legal?

Same. It seems like a way of encouraging people not to take their leave!

susiedaisy1912 · 08/06/2024 18:31

doingitbythebookthistime · 08/06/2024 18:09

I work in the NHS and in my trust we can carry over 5 days only and the rest is either use it or lose it.

This

Morph22010 · 08/06/2024 18:31

bridgetreilly · 08/06/2024 18:26

I have never worked anywhere that pays you not to use your annual leave. Is that even legal?

They can where you have more holiday allowance than statutory minimum, my work sometimes allows it us to cash in holidays when we really busy but they won’t pay them if people have just got to end of year and not taken them

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 08/06/2024 18:31

TeenLifeMum · 08/06/2024 18:29

He’s totally nuts not to take holiday. No one is that important.

I agree. I'm always horrified when people tell me (often sounding bizarrely proud of it!) that they don't use their annual leave. It's the equivalent of handing back some of your salary to your employer.

mooncloud1 · 08/06/2024 18:30

Each Trust is different, mine is use or lose it. Used to be able to carry 5 days over but that changed this financial year.

Heyheyitsanotherday · 08/06/2024 18:30

I work in the nhs and it’s managers descretion if you can roll over 5 days. Otherwise you lose it and don’t get it paid either. Very annoying. I learnt the hard way. All my leave is now booked in this year till April 😂

TisUnbelievable · 08/06/2024 18:29

It’s a no in my trust not even 1 hour and you don’t get paid either which is a joke! Sometimes it’s hard to squeeze the time in around other people which is not our fault or fair.

Hopefulbride18 · 08/06/2024 18:29

This seems a strange time of year to be having this conversation... The NHS leave year runs April to April. So he just needs to take all of this year's leave by next April.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 08/06/2024 18:29

doingitbythebookthistime · 08/06/2024 18:09

I work in the NHS and in my trust we can carry over 5 days only and the rest is either use it or lose it.

This was how it worked in the NHS organisations I worked for. You can carry over 5, but beyond that you lose any you haven't used. Individualcircumstances are taken into account at manager's discretion, if for some reason you couldn't take your leave (e.g. due to being ill or on mat leave).

TeenLifeMum · 08/06/2024 18:29

He’s totally nuts not to take holiday. No one is that important.

LennyBalls · 08/06/2024 18:28

And if we don't use them we definitely don't get paid. We lose them.

LennyBalls · 08/06/2024 18:27

NHS - not allowed to carry any over unless extenuating circumstances.

It's at your Trust's discretion

TeenLifeMum · 08/06/2024 18:26

Some hospitals allow you to buy and sell holiday but it’s not the norm. I’m allowed to carry 5 days over max but at manager’s discretion. But, generally you either use it or lose it.

hopeishere · 08/06/2024 18:26

Why's he not taken any leave?

bridgetreilly · 08/06/2024 18:26

I have never worked anywhere that pays you not to use your annual leave. Is that even legal?

NoLostCause · 08/06/2024 18:24

I work in the NHS. Our policy is use it or lose it. None carried over unless for exceptional circumstances, any requests to do so have to be signed off by the whole of the senior leadership team. We don't get it paid out if we don't use days, they're just gone.

Keepthosenamesgoing · 08/06/2024 18:24

Yep he's correct and fwiw that was the same when I worked in private sector too. Rolled over xx days and lose the rest no payout

CormorantStrikesBack · 08/06/2024 18:24

nalzer · 08/06/2024 18:13

@Lisapillar thanks. Would they care if he lost his leave then? Or just leave it to him if he takes it or not?

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They’d be delighted if he lost his leave, he’d have effectively worked for free.