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If anyone works in the nhs please can you shed any light on this holiday allowance?

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nalzer · 08/06/2024 18:06

I want to know if my ex (Dd’s) dad is telling me the truth.

He says if he doesn’t use his holiday allowance then he doesn’t get to roll it over or get paid for it. Surely you get paid for holiday if you don’t take it?? That’s what’s always happened in my work but I work in the private sector in finance.

He is basically saying he hasn’t been able to take the leave and now will lose it and not be paid for it either. Is this right? He is a fellow if that makes a difference.

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Kit543 · 09/06/2024 12:50

bridgetreilly · 08/06/2024 22:22

In that case you need a court order mandating his custody arrangement. He has leave; he can and should take it. But if he’s not willing to, he should at least be responsible for arranging/paying for some of the childcare, or the maintenance should be adjusted accordingly.

CMS takes account of how many nights a year he has DC so this should be already being taken account of if your using their service i.e less than 52 nights a year then you should be eligible for the full amount without reduction, depending on your income you may also be eligible for childcare help via universal credit

Hotchocolateandchristmas · 08/06/2024 22:28

I work for the NHS and we aren't allowed to carry leave over. We have to use it or lose it and are encouraged throughout the year to book leave.

bridgetreilly · 08/06/2024 22:22

nalzer · 08/06/2024 18:48

Thanks everyone. I just don’t know whether anything he tells me is the truth anymore. He hasn’t taken one day off to be with dc at all and I have had to cope with it all (I also work long hours). He does have form for not taking leave but ffs he has a child, surely you’d WANT to spend some of it with them

In that case you need a court order mandating his custody arrangement. He has leave; he can and should take it. But if he’s not willing to, he should at least be responsible for arranging/paying for some of the childcare, or the maintenance should be adjusted accordingly.

Blushingm · 08/06/2024 21:41

He's right- if we don't use it then we lose it

hettie · 08/06/2024 21:40

He is a medic or another profession? The medical contract is different to agenda for change (everyone else).

Dymaxion · 08/06/2024 21:37

It's very much use it or lose it in my Trust, although, there is always some Manager discretion. I asked for AL and was denied due to high sickness levels ( not mine ) and my manager allowed me to carry a few days over, which I took in the first month on the next AL year.

JaffaCake70 · 08/06/2024 21:27

I'm NHS. In my department it's the same as your Ex's. If we don't use our yearly annual leave entitlement by April 1st we lose it and don't get paid for it.

I don't think it's a hard and fast NHS rule, it varies depending on which trust/dept you work for.

CandidHedgehog · 08/06/2024 21:05

Nonewclothes2024 · 08/06/2024 20:58

I'm NHS I can't carry over. I don't know what he means by not being paid?
You get paid if you're on leave.
You don't get paid more if you don't take it.

I think the OP has assumed he can ‘sell back’ unpaid leave (i.e. get an extra day’s pay for each day not taken).

I know that is possible in some jobs but according to multiple posters, not the NHS.

He’s telling her he doesn’t get paid for unused leave days and it sounds like he’s telling the truth.

albatrossjoe · 08/06/2024 21:05

FooFighter99 · 08/06/2024 18:41

No, his leave will be pro-rata’d depending on how many full months he’s worked.

Ahh Just caught up. As Foofighter says, to the best of my knowledge it's pro-rata'd, as when I did a 9 month NHS post my leave was pro-ratad and I still had to use it within the April-April time frame.

So bank hols aside has he really not taken any time off OP? Not for Christmas or New Year? He's telling the truth that he'll lose any leave he hasn't taken, but he'd only be entitled to pro-rata'd leave from 1st April - now, so a couple of days. Any from the last financial year he already lost in April. Why on earth didn't he use any I wonder!

Burpcloth · 08/06/2024 21:04

My NHS Trust is pretty strict use-it-or-lose-it with absolutely no carry over. You only get a payout for unused leave if you're leaving a job with accrued leave.

Calamitousness · 08/06/2024 21:02

It’s incredibly hard to get AL as a fellow. Yes he’s right. Won’t get paid for it and will lose it.
the only option he’s got is if he’s tried to take it and been repeatedly refused and has escalated this before at that point he could raise with HR

i know fellows getting married that got their AL refused. Basically swapped a shift. Got married and back to work next day. So shit the way the nhs treat junior docs.

Kitkat1523 · 08/06/2024 21:01

I’m nhs……we are not allowed to carry over any leave ……we were for 2 years during covid….but it’s been stopped again….so it’s use it or lose it.
my partner was local authority….he could carry over each year up to a maximum of 4 weeks

albatrossjoe · 08/06/2024 21:00

I'm NHS. So we're told "use it or lose it" with annual leave. You can apply for up to 5 days carry over but that's at line manager discretion.

A couple of points have confused me though OP (sorry if I've missed them!) Your DH has to take bank holidays as A/L, so that will have used some of them. But the biggie to me is that he has until 1st April 2025 to use them, so why is he worried about this now?!

Nonewclothes2024 · 08/06/2024 20:58

I'm NHS I can't carry over. I don't know what he means by not being paid?
You get paid if you're on leave.
You don't get paid more if you don't take it.

SErunner · 08/06/2024 20:56

nalzer · 08/06/2024 18:06

I want to know if my ex (Dd’s) dad is telling me the truth.

He says if he doesn’t use his holiday allowance then he doesn’t get to roll it over or get paid for it. Surely you get paid for holiday if you don’t take it?? That’s what’s always happened in my work but I work in the private sector in finance.

He is basically saying he hasn’t been able to take the leave and now will lose it and not be paid for it either. Is this right? He is a fellow if that makes a difference.

This varies across trusts but there definitely are some that won't let you carry leave over and in most you wouldn't usually be paid for any unused. It's your responsibility to take your leave within the year and your problem if you don't - you've got a years notice about it!

HunterHearstHelmsley · 08/06/2024 20:47

As far as I'm aware, even if you can carry over leave, you can't carry over any of the minimum 5.6 weeks.

I get 38 days holiday, I'm able to carry 5 forward. In exceptional circumstances (other than maternity related, possibly long term click), I'd be able to carry over 10 days as that's my allowance over the legal minimum.

Lokshen · 08/06/2024 20:41

5 days only carry over except at managers discretion eg after sick leave

TheGoogleMum · 08/06/2024 20:40

nalzer · 08/06/2024 18:39

@Hopefulbride18 he said he joined the trust last July on a 12 month contract. Could this be a lie?!

For a 12 month contract that probably would start the leave year from when he started and not April. It's 1st a April for permanent roles

TheGoogleMum · 08/06/2024 20:36

All trusts have slight variations but use it or lose it is common. Some trusts let you roll over some don't. You don't get paid if you don't take it. His manager should be flagging in advance that he needs to get his leave booked before it's too late

Confrontayshunme · 08/06/2024 20:36

My husband (Band 8C NHS) can carry over 5 days but yeah, it's use it or lose it. He tends to take a day or two off midweek in march if he has any left.

Psychologymam · 08/06/2024 20:34

hopeishere · 08/06/2024 18:26

Why's he not taken any leave?

So if there’s no cover you can’t take leave and we don’t have enough doctors/nurses so…
burn out is so high for a very good reason

Psychologymam · 08/06/2024 20:31

nalzer · 08/06/2024 18:06

I want to know if my ex (Dd’s) dad is telling me the truth.

He says if he doesn’t use his holiday allowance then he doesn’t get to roll it over or get paid for it. Surely you get paid for holiday if you don’t take it?? That’s what’s always happened in my work but I work in the private sector in finance.

He is basically saying he hasn’t been able to take the leave and now will lose it and not be paid for it either. Is this right? He is a fellow if that makes a difference.

Do you mean he’s a doctor doing fellowship? There will be the legal nhs position which I’m pretty sure is you use it or can carry over a small few days but unofficially, my husband very frequently just didn’t get to take some annual leave because there was no cover so he just lost it. He also often had to go in on his day off for no extra pay. It gets easier when they are a consultant but it can be very difficult to take leave/use your post call days etc before then.

JaceLancs · 08/06/2024 20:28

We can carry forward a maximum of one working week so 5 days if full time - any more then you lose it
Anything carried over has to be taken within the first 3 months of the subsequent holiday year

Pootle23 · 08/06/2024 20:24

I work NHS. We are not allowed to carry over holiday and it is a use it or lose it policy where I am. We do not get paid if we don’t use it. For goodness sake he’s had 12 months to use it up. No excuse for not using your leave entitlement.

Starzinsky · 08/06/2024 20:08

In most nhs organisations AL carry over is usually only allowed in exceptional circumstances. You would only get paid unused leave if leaving employment mid holiday year. Your company sounds like an exception public and private sector.