To not understand the fuss over Taylor Swift.

Her career has spanned a long time now, she's the first artist that bothered DD and I are a big fan of. Love Story came out when I was 14 and I loved it, DD is 10 and loves her music. We didn't get tickets this time around but if/when she tours again we'll be there!

@butterflywingss if makes you feel any better Taylor is very much a Christian and she donates huge amounts of money to the food banks of every city she plays in, so even if her fans don't donate to those causes themselves she does.

She also brings attention to social justice issues that many of people her younger fans age may not get behind normally.

Not a swiftie but my god she’s got some catchy songs and comes across as having a good head on her shoulders. Also the fortnight video is so beautiful in parts- as an author it was quite inspiring!!

Yabu. People spend the money how they want. I once spent £200 to see the opening ceremony of the paraOlympics in London...that crunch when everyone bit into the apple together....I never forgotten and it's an experience I remember well.

Would you pay £300 to see queen if all the members were alive or £300 to see elvis.... Put in any star you like dead or alive....

It was the same with The Beatles. This sort of thing happens every so often. Harmless. I don’t really get it if I’m honest but other people are tribally attached to performers. It’s just like a club that admits anyone snd she’s sparkly!

That's my opinion and it's what I believe. I still stand by that, God 100000% deserves more attention & respect than these 2 bit celebrities. If you disagree, that's absolutely fine and I am not condemning anyone over it. However, that doesn't mean you can start attacking me and not expect a response & then cry later in the comments that I am offending you. Simply move on. I am happy to be in my 'delusional' bubble because I know my truth & no one can shake that but it's absolutely your choice to think otherwise. People love being so one sided when it doesn't suit them. The same way you expect me to respect your decision to not believe, please respect mine that is the opposite. I am honestly not asking anything hard. 🤷🏽

People who complain about the price of her tickets must not go to many other events. Most events cover a range of price points - theatre tickets on the West End can range from £20 to £250+ for the same show. Taylors tickets or any other high level performer or event are the same, there were £50 seats, equally there were hospitality seats £1000+ and people who can afford all price brackets, Taylor didn't necessarily set the price of tickets either that was don't buy the venue. Getting a ticket on the other hand.....

No one in the industry seems to have a bad word to say about her personally(apart from Kimye). She is one of the only artists that covers her dancers medical insurance and health care, she gives her cast and crew life changing amount of money. She has a music school in Nashville. She has a ridiculous amount of money but appears far more generous than others at her level with the exception of JKR.

Yes, she jet sets around the world in her private jet but she certainly isn't the worst for that and she buys twice the amount she needs to of green credits. Whether those credits are managed properly and make a difference is a different matter but to be taken up with those companies.

I think a large amount of this hype for this particular tour is actually an after effect of the Pandemic. When we went to see the film version at the cinema and DD was up the front with all the other teens dancing it really hit how a couple of years before they couldn't do that. People have been waiting for this tour since it was announced in November 2022 and we were only just fully coming out of COVID restrictions. For all those young people and adults to come together in a large venue and with a global connection at a time when we are coming out of having limited connection is a big thing.

Haha, channelling big Kevvy B there, I likes it

Goodness, there are some joyless fun sponges on this thread.

I don't understand why anyone would fork out a 4 figure sum for a handbag, but it isn't my concern or my money, but people who enjoy handbags are entitled to do so. Each to their own.

As opposed to god who just…..doesn’t exist 🤷🏻‍♀️🫢

Agree- I remember one of the things I liked about was that she had the courage to explore complex emotion and harsh truths about herself which of course led to her being called “shrill”. This was when she released 1989 and the press were already on her back about her love life etc.

@butterflywingss

“Of course God knows I exist and you exist and everyone on this earth. He put us here and he loves you and me and everyone “

This is your opinion, your belief. It’s not fact. It is in fact disputing someone else’s opinion. They have the right to defend theirs too. See where this is going?

Like I said, have your belief, enjoy your belief - don’t expect others to share it if they choose not to.

She’s very easy to avoid if she’s not your thing

I’ve heard her name but know nothing else about her. I couldn’t name a single one of her songs.

But obviously people like her and want see her in concert so they pay their money, they take their choice.

8 year old DD loves her. I don't mind her, her songs are catchy. I'm into rock and metal so I don't find it baffling when I'm not into popular music. I'm usually the one getting asked why I like the music I do and having to justify myself! 🤣 I'd take DD when she's older to watch a concert. Youngsters have always loved pop singers, I don't know why it's such a surprise? No one should have to justify their music taste- it's purely subjective.

+As a society, how much do we help others compared to making the rich richer ? It's a hard pill to swallow and I understand why anyone would feel defensive over it.*

Given most things we buy make other people richer, I assume you spin your own thread for clothes, grow your own food and have a barely furnished house? It’s the opposite of pious to judge what other people chose to spend their hard earned money on - I’m sure you have paid for things that make rich people richer.

Taylor Swift is good at what she does, whether you like her music or not. It’s a good thing to see a young woman play the entertainment industry at their own game and win. I’m not going to any of the concerts, it’s not my thing but my life is much richer for the live music I’ve been to see including some very big, hyped artists. Music is a wonderful thing, live music more so.

I'd hate to not be able to get concert tickets for someone I adored, so I'm glad I'm not into her for that reason, but she makes people happy and that counts for something.

Taylor Swift could create the world in six days but God couldn't write the bridge to Death By A Thousand Cuts

You're the one who brought god into it saying people should put their energy into believing in that rather than paying to go to pop concerts.

If you're offended that people think that's ridiculous then maybe next time don't bring it up?

She's been going since 2006. Not exactly a flash in the pan is she? There's also more to being a pop star than having the best voice in the whole world.

I'm not even a fan, i can only name "shake it off" but come on.

I do think some people hate her because she's a young female who has made a success of herself and she gives a voice to other young females and some people don't like that.

In my generation it was Pink who did that - she's widely hated by the patriarchy too for writing songs about stuff that matters but doing it in a pop style. It was ever thus.

Again the point you're missing out on. I didn't come here saying , you have to believe in God or came with the intention of trying to shove it down anyone's throat. However, I am 100% in my right to also defend my beliefs even if it's not a fact to you. It doesn't't give anyone a right to offend me either just because you chose to live your life differently. Again, I didn't say anything bad but it seems God triggers some people but it doesn't mean you should attack me either because I believe in God 😕

Anyway, the topic is around fuss being made about Taylor swift, and my views are that she is not worth the hype and she/ many celebrities do not deserve people's hard worked money, especially with so many chaos RIGHT now as we speak. That's MY opinion. If it's different for others then that's fine.

Making rich richer - afaik she doesn't come from big old money, so this is a case of working hard, being lucky and becoming rich, like JKR.

And big part of her charm is that she kind of helps her audience, giving them sharing and community. The fact that she and her fans manage to create a community vibe even in huge concerts is one of her biggest talents.

People who copy celebrities need to get a life. Be unique

£300 isn't a typical months wage in the UK.

God doesn't exist.

Taylor swift makes a point of paying people who work for her a decent wage and giving them employment benefits. She gave bonuses totalling £55million on top of salaries. She gave her truck drivers £100k bonuses when they'd normally receive about £5k from other artists. Goodness me, what a bitch.

https://news.sky.com/story/taylor-swift-gives-out-eras-tour-bonuses-totalling-55m-for-performers-and-crew-12932247

If people are dying and suffering, take it up with your god.

@butterflywingss your belief is your opinion. It’s not fact.

insisting that your opinion is fact yet someone else’s opinion is not - yes that’s offensive, arrogant and intolerant.

Believe it, enjoy it. Don’t expect others to buy into it.