To not understand the fuss over Taylor Swift.

Excellent post

Aren’t people allowed to ask why somebody is popular?

Sure. Maybe not every single week though, about the same person, recycling the same tired tropes and, often, demonstrating startling levels of misogyny, ageism etc

'I just don't get Taylor Swift' is the new 'Is my MIL a narc?'

I've not been lucky enough to get tickets for Eras, but I went to a Swiftogeddon night a few weeks ago. 5 hours of dancing, singing and, yes, connecting with other women (all over 18, no kids allowed) in our enjoyment of this music - it was fucking fantastic. It is genuinely a community, and I love it. I actually feel kinda sorry for those who are still trapped (as I was for MANY years) in obsessing about whether something is 'cool' or not and therefore automatically default to 'ugh, Taylor Swift is so mid/meh/lame/crap'.

Just let the Swiftie joy be unbounded!😂

We live in a capitalist society! Do you tick off high end shops and large corporations for their "sheer greed"?! Making a profit is what our entire society is based on like it or not - havent your noticed?! . Funny its only a problem when a young woman does it!

Says who? 😆
I don't care if people think she has the second best voice in the world or even the best voice in the world, that's just some peoples opinion, it's not fact.

I would much prefer to see Taylor Swift sing and I'm not even a massive fan of hers. I just like her.

@Changingmynameyetagain i don’t understand your post. The OP isn’t bashing TS. She also isn’t saying that people aren’t allowed to like her.

Aren’t people allowed to ask why somebody is popular?

She's not a patch on Lulu !

She's a singer songwriter who brings great joy to a lot of people. That's it. It's not compulsory to like her and it's also a bit dull for there to be a MN thread every few weeks slagging her off.

Jog on.

@TheSandHurtsMyFeelings the OP never returns as well.

Anyway, TS can now literally build a castle out of all the bricks they threw at her...so it's all good.

be interesting to see if there's ever similar threads about men.

I'm going to enjoy this month of the tour in particular, and hopefully there will be a costume exhibition next year.

did MN exist when there was the Kylie costume exhibition at the V&A? That probably had a moaning thread too.

edit - SIO is not my favourite but the video is such fun....that Alan Carr cats painting/drinking cider/ribbon dance interview was so funny!

@TheSandHurtsMyFeelings here here, this unmarried, childless 41 year old will join you.
You’ve actually just reminded me of a moment last night when an unknown woman of about 19 and I locked eyes during the bridge of August and had a full on, impassioned, fist- of - emotion singalong together. It was just lovely!

Yes, poor old SIO - it's a pure pop banger AND has a genuinely funny video too.

*WENT wild, not wasn’t wild !

Oh, and I don't have a dd and I've never bought a single item of merchandise or a single bit of vinyl etc.

But sure, carry on whining about how we're all brainless dullards getting shafted by an evil Satanic billionaire. I'll carry on enjoying myself with the fun kids 😂

Would just like to take a moment to say, I also cited Shake It Off as a fluff track, but it’s also an absolute party banger.
I was lucky enough to actually get an extra release ticket to see her at Murrayfield yesterday and the crowd wasn’t wild during SIO, me included 😊. And she’s a consummate pro, she was on stage for 3 hours and 20 minutes, it was freezing cold and she barely put a foot wrong.

God how patronising and you can’t have listened to any of her songs or albums other than Shake it off

As I seem to end up saying on every Taylor Swift thread, the idea that it's 'music for teens and tweens' is laughable.

I'm 50 years old. The Patti Smith line on Tortured Poets made me laugh so much because I'd seen Patti live 4 or 5 times before I'd ever even knowingly heard a Taylor Swift song. But a friend whose music taste I'd always 'respected' started talking about TS, and I actually spent some time listening to her properly - and was hooked.

You don't have to like her music (although maybe if you listen to more than just Shake It Off, you may be pleasantly surprised?) But the endless carping on here is so tedious. Everyone who starts these threads and everyone who joins in with the slagging thinks they are so edgy and unique. You're not. At best you're recycling dull, debunked 'arguments' and some of you are showing you just have no curiosity and no imagination.

Oh, and Katherine Jenkins? Give me a fucking break 😂

“My mother is a saintly woman…but she often said she wished that you were dead”

Soooo sweet!

@Carly944 again I just don’t think that really is reflective of anything other than a lack of knowledge of her catalogue.
“Who’s Afraid Of Little Old Me?”? “Vigilante Shit” “All Too Well (10 minute version)”? They might not be Cannibal Corpse, but calling them “nice sweet songs” doesn’t do them justice.
Whoever made the comment about mums and daughters- that’s just naked misogyny. God forbid women should bond and find common space, unless it’s in a way you deem appropriate.

Yes you don’t see thread after thread criticising Springsteen or Harry Styles do you? Can’t think why that is 🙄🙄🙄

And criticising a talented woman for being wealthy - take a look at the Catholic Churches wealth and behaviour over the years! What’s the saying involving glass houses and stones?

Springsteen merch same price. Hopefully you feel the same way. Presume Springsteen is much richer.

@Carly944 calling a 35 year old woman a "girl" seems strange.

just realised, 1989 "Bad blood" video, Cindy Crawford very much a nod to older fans then as well. Maybe I should start a thread for ...45+ fans?

Do you not think her songs are a bit crap.

Which songs are you thinking of, specifically?

Can people see though the marketing plan behind her. She fills a marketing need.

There are no other nice middle class girls singing nice sweet songs.

All the other female singers sing much more risky songs.

They needed someone to fill the mold of sweet , innocent, middle class rich girl, who gets into no scandal.

So young teens will follow her

It's not a case of whether you like it or not, she has got the second best voice in the world.
Regarding the merchandise of Taylor Swift, footy pounds for a t shirt, she can see the mums coming a mile off.
With her money she could afford to sell them for half that price.
Sheer greed it's ugly.

Wtf are you on about? I know loads of people who have been, or are going, and not one of them are anything like that.
What a pathetic thing to say.

@Carly944 "Do you not think her songs are a bit crap"

obviously I don't, but do you really think marketing could get people to like crap songs? To this extent?