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To happily pay an extra £2000 per year to....

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Fatcish · 07/06/2024 20:04

  • see a GP f2f without a wait of 4 weeks and efficient onward referral as needed to sort the issue
  • have my children taught by subject teachers and supported by TAs
  • drive my car without hitting numerous potholes and missing road markings
  • enable my elderly disabled neighbour to have more care at home (1 hour a week at the moment)
  • ensure my son doesn't languish on the CAMHS waiting list for two years getting more and more broken
  • pay public sector workers properly so they are not run ragged covering endless vacancies and schools and hospitals are viewed as aspirational and supportive places to work
  • support government led, empowered oversight bodies of our water, rivers, trains and buses
  • help the MNs on here with heart breaking experiences of seeking support with their SEN children

And on and on...all for £2k a year per FAMILY. I assume I will pay more as a higher earner. FINE. let's make it fair not equal.

OP posts:
Diefrausagtnein · 08/06/2024 10:14

So if no one believes it can be done, the UK is f**d basically ?
Do people believe that cutting IHT, scrapping NI, getting of stamp duty will be positive for the country’s economy, public services etc.
I guess people want to pay as little tax as possible, sort themselves out, no thought to the rest of society. Just like Thatcher wanted.

SpindleyDindley · 08/06/2024 10:13

£50 a month a is about my limit. NHS has core issues rather than funding problems.

Parker231 · 08/06/2024 10:07

Livelovebehappy · 08/06/2024 09:53

But it isn't a lie really is it? Higher earners will pay more tax under Labour. Thats how they operate. Make all these promises and fund it by taxing the higher earners. But there's only so much they squeeze from that cash cow. Then they will turn to the middle earners. I will bet as the GE gets nearer, that's how they will outline the costings of their manifesto.

And under the Tories the high earners are protected and the middle and lower earners taxed disproportionately

Bunnyasmyname · 08/06/2024 10:03

How can £2k over x years or even a year possibly pay for all those things???

Anyone who thinks so is seriously deluded.

Livelovebehappy · 08/06/2024 09:53

Whatafustercluck · 08/06/2024 09:24

I agree entirely with this sentiment. But please stop assisting Tory liars by repeating the lie and terrifying those who cannot afford it.

Sunak lied. The Tories are lying. They have no moral compass.

But it isn't a lie really is it? Higher earners will pay more tax under Labour. Thats how they operate. Make all these promises and fund it by taxing the higher earners. But there's only so much they squeeze from that cash cow. Then they will turn to the middle earners. I will bet as the GE gets nearer, that's how they will outline the costings of their manifesto.

CountryBear · 08/06/2024 09:51

No, I wouldn’t happily pay an extra £2000 a year.

In my job I see people make a choice to be on benefits. People make a choice not to save or have a pension. I see people choose to spend their money on drugs and alcohol. And after nearly 30 years I ask myself, why should society be more equal?

Why shouldn’t people have to work for what they want? Why should hard working people subsidise a growing number of able people who don’t want to work, or who don’t want to work full time. I couldn’t afford childcare for mine, so I only had one child. I couldn’t afford another. Why should I have to pay for other people’s choices and decisions?

Of course I am not talking about the very disabled here, or emergency situations like redundancy.

I’ve never claimed a penny from the state and I’ve worked since I was 14, yet I’ve had my pension age raised to 68. I’ll have worked full time, in excess of 50 hours a week for 54 years.

Now I’ve been dedicated to work, done my overtime, gone up the ladder and I’m a higher earner. I’d like to reap the benefits of nice holidays and a few luxuries thank you.

No, I don’t want to give extra to society. I pay enough. I will not vote for a socialist government who aims to redistribute wealth. It isn’t fair.

TheThingIsYeah · 08/06/2024 09:44

This thread is split broadly between those who are "Happy to pay £2k to save Our Beloved NHS! (Peace Be Upon It)" and those who either cannot afford it, or see the folly in contributing to an ever expanding public sector blackhole.

For those that are happy to pay more tax, what's stopping you already? Give HMRC a bell. Go on, do it today. Save the nation.

<crickets>

Whatafustercluck · 08/06/2024 09:24

I agree entirely with this sentiment. But please stop assisting Tory liars by repeating the lie and terrifying those who cannot afford it.

Sunak lied. The Tories are lying. They have no moral compass.

endoflevelbaddy · 08/06/2024 08:53

notprincehamlet · 08/06/2024 08:01

"On Sunak’s maths, Tories will lift taxes by £3,000 per household | The Spectator" https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/on-sunaks-maths-tories-will-lift-taxes-by-3000-per-household/

Thank you 😊

mondaytosunday · 08/06/2024 08:53

Yea I don't believe half that stuff would happen. If any at all.

Jifmicroliquid · 08/06/2024 08:23

Do you honestly think that they can promise all those things with just a £2k tax hike??
That money will be swallowed up and no benefits will be seen.

CKL987 · 08/06/2024 08:20

This isn't even a thing. 2k per family doesn't mean that people would pay an extra 2k, it means the extra tax revenue needed would be the equivalent of 2k per family and wouldn't actually come out of our pockets.

PrincessMiranda · 08/06/2024 08:18

Fatcish · 07/06/2024 20:27

Sad. But true. But I'd vote for it.

You'd vote to pay thousands more in tax for something you know is never going to happen ?. That's just beyond stupid.

notprincehamlet · 08/06/2024 08:13

Agree with the op but we need to be targeting unearned income - people who work for a living have been bankrolling investment trusts, windfalls, inheritances, house sale profits etc for too long

SnakesAndArrows · 08/06/2024 08:13

Livelovebehappy · 07/06/2024 23:50

Agree with this. Things would not improve with increased tax. They’d just continue to spend it on other random stuff. Look at the NHS. The amount of money thrown at the NHS, and all they’ve done is employ more layers of management, who don’t manage the finances well.

The bureaucracy in the NHS is down to political meddling by politicians and DHSC - the internal market, Lansley’s 2012 “reforms”, constant tweakage to mitigate the absolute disaster of Lansley’s fuckwittery.

Actual management in the NHS - by which I mean leadership, quality improvement and quality management, positive culture - is conspicuous by its absence in very many areas. The NHS is under-managed. We spend far, far less on it than any other country’s health system, or large organisation.

DH and I would gladly pay £2000 p.a. each for our public services. Household income is £150k.

I think Sunak’s lies about Labour’s intentions have backfired. There’s lots of talk like this amongst top rate taxpayers.

hettie · 08/06/2024 08:09

It's a made up number folks.....You may as well ask yourself how much additional tax you personally would elect to pay....We can ask make up a number.

Notonthestairs · 08/06/2024 08:00

The Spectator ran the Conservatives figures using the same faulty methodology.

Guess what, you'll pay more.

"Another number: £3,018. That's how much Tories will raise taxes under the same (daft) methodology spectator.co.uk/article/on-sun…"

x.com/frasernelson/status/1799162430360019134?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Neither figure is reliable. It's just that the Conservatives want to frighten voters.

Parker231 · 08/06/2024 07:59

Whitesapphire · 07/06/2024 20:09

Speak for yourself, I already pay a huge amount of tax. Countless people are not paying any income tax at all. It’s those who need to start paying in so we can have better public services.

Countless don’t pay any income tax because they don’t earn enough

cwoffeee · 08/06/2024 07:57

If £2000 per taxpayer was really going to make all that happen, then yeah, great, absolutely.

But the public sector pisses money away like no one's business.

VaccineSticker · 08/06/2024 07:55

Absolutely not, I pay enough taxes as it is! They need to manage the way they spend the money. Maybe if they didn’t waste so much money on PPE contracts in Covid that were not up to standard and got binned and retrieve public money from people like Michelle Mone for starters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67736860

Michelle Mone and her husband Doug Barrowman

Michelle Mone admits she stands to benefit from £60m PPE profit

In an exclusive interview, the ex-Tory peer says she and her husband were made "scapegoats" for PPE failings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67736860

LlynTegid · 08/06/2024 07:51

I'd be happy simply for a better NHS and functioning justice system. Providing corporate taxes were reformed first.

Beryls · 08/06/2024 07:48

Also as an eye opener have a look at @ WokeWaste on Twitter, see how much of our tax money is being pissed away on nonsense every single year.

Beryls · 08/06/2024 07:46

I can't afford to pay any more tax. As a single person I'm really struggling. I'm 43, I've lived on my own the last 8 years. I live in one of the cheapest areas of the UK, I can't afford to live anywhere else.

I got a modest pay rise last year, then shortly after a notice that my rent was going up. When I calculated it, that wipes out my pay rise over the year.

I work full time and always have, paid tax since I was 16, never been out of work, but all my tax money seems to go towards supporting other people. I luckily haven't even used the sodding moneypit NHS for years.

I can't pay more taxes I've got nothing left at the end of the month as it is.

I don't expect help whatsoever (which is a good job seeing as I'd be entitled to nothing) but am expected to pay for people who don't want to work. I'm not talking about disabled people before you start. I'm talking about people who do not want to work and will do anything to avoid it and just take the handouts. I know plenty of them where I live and through my work.

I just don't see why I should pay more.

Tangled123 · 08/06/2024 07:39

I dont think it’s fair to target working households with more tax when wages are already low in a lot of cases and everything is so expensive.

With so much inequality, wealth should be targeted for increased tax first. There’s also loads of generous tax reliefs available that could be closed too.