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GracieGrowler · 07/06/2024 14:44

My mum is a council tenant, has a house she's lived in for 50+ years on a nice estate where most of the houses are now privately owned, including the one adjoining her. She's 83 and a keen gardener, but goes for the cottage garden/wild roses look.
Her neighbours are total arseholes. In their late 50s both physically fit and capable but spend their days moaning and complaining. Every year at around this time they start putting letter thru her door about issues such as ivy over growing (I looked, it was literally 2 leaves) or her hedge. It upsets her terribly and makes her scared to be outside. In the past they have shouted and screamed at her and threatened her, and she thinks they poisoned a fox cub that she found dead.
They've just sent a new letter complaining that her hedge is too high and spoiling their view (of a road). It's probably about 5 foot tall at most. Do they have any grounds to complain and make her cut it legally, or can she just ignore them? It's not going over to their side of the property

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Dodie66 · 07/06/2024 19:31

You can have a fence or hedge up to 6 feet tall without permission. I just looked it up online. A previous poster said need permission if it’s above one metre but that’s not true. It has to be 1 metre if it’s adjacent to a road

Viviennemary · 07/06/2024 19:28

This is harrassment. Yoh could try seeing a local councillor before reporting them to the police.

Genevieva · 07/06/2024 19:21

No. If it’s over 2m they can contact the council under the high hedges act. This has an associated cost in the region of £200 ( I’m not up to date). If the council finds in their favour ( not guaranteed even if over 2m) then they will ask your mother to get it cut. In the unlikely event, that she refused, she could receive a court order, but it would never get that far.

BobbyBiscuits · 07/06/2024 19:18

The neighbour can cut shrubbery that encroaches on their land to the boundary. The hedge height is another matter and varies between councils I think? Either way they are vile bullies. If they want someone to cut the hedge then contact the council or HA.
You should look at getting a restraining order as they're clearly unhinged. If they own the property and there's a dispute with a neighbour it affects their ability to sell.

Jeannie88 · 07/06/2024 18:57

jeaux90 · 07/06/2024 14:47

Honestly I'd go round and tell them to stop making demands of your mum, and install a ring camera.

Her garden is none of their business

Yes, horrible to bully an older lady on her own. They sound ridiculous and spiteful. Your poor Mum 😕 xx

Fedupmumofadultsons · 07/06/2024 18:57

GracieGrowler · 07/06/2024 14:44

My mum is a council tenant, has a house she's lived in for 50+ years on a nice estate where most of the houses are now privately owned, including the one adjoining her. She's 83 and a keen gardener, but goes for the cottage garden/wild roses look.
Her neighbours are total arseholes. In their late 50s both physically fit and capable but spend their days moaning and complaining. Every year at around this time they start putting letter thru her door about issues such as ivy over growing (I looked, it was literally 2 leaves) or her hedge. It upsets her terribly and makes her scared to be outside. In the past they have shouted and screamed at her and threatened her, and she thinks they poisoned a fox cub that she found dead.
They've just sent a new letter complaining that her hedge is too high and spoiling their view (of a road). It's probably about 5 foot tall at most. Do they have any grounds to complain and make her cut it legally, or can she just ignore them? It's not going over to their side of the property

Hi your poor mum .in scotland the legal standing .is front fence 4 foot hedge 5 foot and back garden hedge or fence six feet ..in England not so sure

PippyLongTits · 07/06/2024 18:53

I don't know where she would stand, but probably worth speaking to the HA/Council. I'm not in a rented place, but I expect the same rules would apply re boundaries. Some deeds say you have to maintain a fence/hedge of at least 5ft. My documents say I have to maintain the boundary fences in the size and condition that the deeds were signed. She could tell them she has to keep it at 5ft (or 6ft) as it is in her tenancy agreement.

Spirallingdownwards · 07/06/2024 18:51

Miriad · 07/06/2024 14:58

The legal height for a front garden fence or hedge in the UK is 1m (3.2ft). If it’s taller you need planning permission.

Can you point me to the piece of legislation that says this is the case? Whilst there may be covenants on certain newer estates I am not sure this is correct but if so please link the legislation.

TomatoSoz · 07/06/2024 18:47

My old neighbours were like this. All plastic garden gnomes and fake topiary balls. Whereas we had wildflowers, a pond, compost bin etc. They said our garden attracted pests. They meant bees. In truth I think it just showed them up tbh as their patch of 1cm long grass was riddled with leatherjackets and dog poo. I wouldn't even comment on it if we hadn't had to move because of their harassment. You're either a gardener or youre not, and nothing wrong with either, but live and let live. I love a cottage garden, and ivy! I wish I had a neighbour like your mum! Legally all she has to do is check her tenancy agreement. I'm on the residents panel of the housing ombudsman and I successfully sued my ex housing association for not dealing with my old neighbours- if that counts for anything. I would say that if her garden is looked after and there is no rubbish, they can just keep complaining. If they've done or shouted anything at her then she needs to report it now to the antisocial behaviour team at her council. Even if she decides she doesn't want them to take action. That way if they complain maliciously or they do anything else, then there is a record of what they did. They'll probably only offer mediation, and the neighbour's complaints would look very petty so they won't do that. That's probably the worst (legal) thing they could do and the complaint has no basis so don't worry. Your mum's garden sounds very much like mine - I've worked hard this year to get it back to how my old one was. One of my neighbours doesn't really like it and have made comments but that just made me more determined tbh. It's very strange coming up the street to see lawn, lawn, lawn, my cottage garden, gravel, lawn. I love it. It's like a big green hairy wart on the grey landscape 😄

haddockfortea · 07/06/2024 18:28

Miriad · 07/06/2024 14:58

The legal height for a front garden fence or hedge in the UK is 1m (3.2ft). If it’s taller you need planning permission.

No it isn't. Different councils have differen bye-laws.

Mrsjayy · 07/06/2024 18:27

kwetu · 07/06/2024 18:26

I believe it's illegal to cut hedges till end of August now anyway.

So sorry your mum is going through this, would make complaints to the police if she feels harassed. Each and every time there's an issue.

Also this.

Mrsjayy · 07/06/2024 18:27

GracieGrowler · 07/06/2024 14:55

I'm fairly sure this happened one year and a nice man came out and complimented her garden, but it didn't resolve it completely

You can contact the housing officer and the council can deal with it they can get their legal department involved "asking" them .not to harass their tenant. Please phone them on Monday on your mum's behalf

kwetu · 07/06/2024 18:26

I believe it's illegal to cut hedges till end of August now anyway.

So sorry your mum is going through this, would make complaints to the police if she feels harassed. Each and every time there's an issue.

Jeezitneverends · 07/06/2024 18:22

@GracieGrowler its not that people think your mum isn’t doing anything wrong -it’s a legal fact! I hope she gets peace from them

LakeTiticaca · 07/06/2024 18:22

Pay a couple of knuckleheads to go round and drop the pair of fuckers

GracieGrowler · 07/06/2024 18:18

Thanks for all the responses. The neighbours own their house. I will definitely be responding to them and will look into a safeguarding officer too. Reassuring to see that most people think she isn't doing anything wrong. Her garden is beautiful (& smells amazing at the moment)

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LarkLane · 07/06/2024 18:17

Hi OP, speak to her local councillor, ask them to come and look and tell them of the elder abuse.

Also https://www.gardenlaw.co.uk for good advice. Some of them have been there years and are arborists, professionals.

Her garden sounds fine. They can cut any overhang back to the boundary, no further. They can't cut down her hedge - that's for the local authority to consider ONLY if it's a nuisance and it doesn't sound as though it is.

NDN can offer her back ( old law) the cuttings (arisings) if they've trimmed back but she can decline to take them. They can't dump cuttings on her property or make her dispose of anything they've trimmed.

Also the likes of https://www.ageuk.org.uk/ can offer support, including possible help with the garden.

I'm so sorry that she is having such a horrible time. I hope that all the advice so far can help. She's doing nothing wrong from what you say but do get other organisations, including the police if needs be, involved. Best wishes.

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LardoBurrows · 07/06/2024 18:02

You could contact your mother's local authority's adult safeguarding team and report that these neighbours are harassing, bullying and threatening your mother on a regular basis and are by their actions preventing her from the rightful and peaceful enjoyment of her garden. Tell them that your mother is so frightened of them that she won't go outside anymore.

Your could also report the bullying and harassment to the police. Start a trail in as many places as possible in the hope that someone starts to take this seriously and there is then a record of this couple's behaviour. They are both heartless bastards and frankly they need someone to make them disappear - plastic grass indeed.

CharlotteBog · 07/06/2024 18:00

You say she lives on an estate. Are there neighbours who can advocate for her?
I think on my little cul-de-sac if we became aware that an elderly woman living on her own was being harassed and bullied in this way, people would step in.

MouseMama · 07/06/2024 17:54

There isn’t some general law that you can’t have a 5ft hedge so the only recourse they would have is if it’s not allowed by the HA or there’s some restrictive covenant on the property saying something about hedge height!

it seems vanishingly unlikely so I think you can just assume they have no legal right to get her to cut her hedge unless they tell you otherwise, in which case you can investigate further.

MargaretThursday · 07/06/2024 17:54

May depend on the estate as to whether they're allowed. Our estate has restrictions on hedges at all in front gardens and within a certain distance of any walkway/road. It's not really policed, but not many people have them anyway.

noctilucentcloud · 07/06/2024 17:53

Are your mums neighbours also council tenants? If so, I think it's worth contacting them if they've shouted at your mum recently, especially as it sounds as if she's vulnerable due to her age and some possible memory issues.

Re. the hedge height, as long as it's not in the front where it could potentially block visibility of people pulling on to the road, or there's nothing in her tenancy re hedge heights, then 5 foot is very reasonable.

BeverForget · 07/06/2024 17:51

Miriad · Today 14:58
The legal height for a front garden fence or hedge in the UK is 1m (3.2ft). If it’s taller you need planning permission.

It is 2m from ground level.
Any shorter than that and the council jobsworths won't even don a hi-vis.

MyQuaintDog · 07/06/2024 17:46

Miriad · 07/06/2024 14:58

The legal height for a front garden fence or hedge in the UK is 1m (3.2ft). If it’s taller you need planning permission.

This is false.
No one will even consider the height of a hedge as an issue unless it is over 2 metres. Your mum's hedge is lower than this.

Jeezitneverends · 07/06/2024 17:46

Miriad · 07/06/2024 14:58

The legal height for a front garden fence or hedge in the UK is 1m (3.2ft). If it’s taller you need planning permission.

That’s not true. In relation to a hedge, there is no maximum legal height in the UK

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/over-the-garden-hedge/over-the-garden-hedge#:~:text=You%20don't%20normally%20need,a%20nuisance%20to%20anyone%20else.

Over the garden hedge

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/over-the-garden-hedge/over-the-garden-hedge#:~:text=You%20don't%20normally%20need,a%20nuisance%20to%20anyone%20else.

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