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GracieGrowler · 07/06/2024 14:44

My mum is a council tenant, has a house she's lived in for 50+ years on a nice estate where most of the houses are now privately owned, including the one adjoining her. She's 83 and a keen gardener, but goes for the cottage garden/wild roses look.
Her neighbours are total arseholes. In their late 50s both physically fit and capable but spend their days moaning and complaining. Every year at around this time they start putting letter thru her door about issues such as ivy over growing (I looked, it was literally 2 leaves) or her hedge. It upsets her terribly and makes her scared to be outside. In the past they have shouted and screamed at her and threatened her, and she thinks they poisoned a fox cub that she found dead.
They've just sent a new letter complaining that her hedge is too high and spoiling their view (of a road). It's probably about 5 foot tall at most. Do they have any grounds to complain and make her cut it legally, or can she just ignore them? It's not going over to their side of the property

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ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 07/06/2024 21:28

There's no maximum height for deciduous hedges, I've got a 10ft one between one neighbour and the other side must be 20ft at least. The high hedges act only applies to hedges over 2m if they are fully or almost all evergreen.
It's not illegal to cut hedges at any time of year but it is illegal to disturb nesting birds so you have to check for nests before cutting. Much safer to wait till at least August when they will have fledged.

MisterMagnolia · 07/06/2024 21:17

Actually I'm pretty certain that there is no legal height for hedges, but that as a general rule a 2 metres is considered perfectly acceptable. The 6ft rule applies to fences. Or it used to be 6ft. It could now be 2 metres.

MisterMagnolia · 07/06/2024 21:13

Hoogieflip · 07/06/2024 21:06

Which UK law is this, please? I can't find it and it'd be super-helpful re our neighbour's hedge.

I do not believe this to be true. I believe that it is 6ft, unless this has changed recently. In some developments and estates there are some restrictive covenants which may restrict hedge heights. This could apply to some council accomodation.

MisterMagnolia · 07/06/2024 21:11

Re trees/hedges there is high hedges legislation, but if 5 ft, then its well within the regs. The regs are there to protect amenity value (enjoyment of ones property but not views) as well as to allow adequate light in. Re amenity value, the hedge would have to be imposing and close in a way that ruins them living there.

I don't believe that there is any legislation against cutting hedges during nesting seasons, only wildlife legislation to protect ground nesting birds (The Wildlife Act 1981).

I would install cameras if it makes your mother feel safer and get her to save any letters from them and date them. Other than that she is best to ignore them and not interact at all.

Hoogieflip · 07/06/2024 21:06

Miriad · 07/06/2024 14:58

The legal height for a front garden fence or hedge in the UK is 1m (3.2ft). If it’s taller you need planning permission.

Which UK law is this, please? I can't find it and it'd be super-helpful re our neighbour's hedge.

itsmylife7 · 07/06/2024 21:01

LakeTiticaca · 07/06/2024 18:22

Pay a couple of knuckleheads to go round and drop the pair of fuckers

That's the same thought that'd I just had
How nasty to be bullying an old lady.

JanglingJack · 07/06/2024 21:00

Miriad · 07/06/2024 14:58

The legal height for a front garden fence or hedge in the UK is 1m (3.2ft). If it’s taller you need planning permission.

Nonsense.

Reugny · 07/06/2024 20:57

OP if you put up ring door bell or other camera just be careful what you take videos off. Make sure the images don't go further than her property boundaries. If she has high hedges and fences that shouldn't be too hard to do.

Also put a (small) sticker somewhere on the front that the house has CCTV.

Otherwise the neighbours will accuse her of harassing them with her camera(s) and they will probably win any argument as they can go to her HA to complain.

TriesNotToBeCynical · 07/06/2024 20:56

kwetu · 07/06/2024 18:26

I believe it's illegal to cut hedges till end of August now anyway.

So sorry your mum is going through this, would make complaints to the police if she feels harassed. Each and every time there's an issue.

That is only true for farmers and landowners. There is no such restriction on cutting domestic garden hedges. Otherwise people couldn't have those ridiculous topiary arrangements.

Papyrophile · 07/06/2024 20:55

There is an exception to the rule (but an agricultural one, and informal) that says pigeons are fair game but only because they breed repeatedly year round. Pigeons are charming, but there are far too many of them, and they outbreed almost every other species, so their numbers need to be controlled. The breasts are really delicious to eat, but put the rest of the carcass in food waste

RheaRend · 07/06/2024 20:54

Harassment of elderly people is a crime. Please ring the police again and tell them they are harassing an elderly vulnerable person.

My mum had a crash and someone was pressuring her to pay for the damage as they didn't have gap insurance. They said they were going to come to the house within the house and speak to her. I rang the police as I was unable to get there and they went straight round to him and said if they go near her house they would be arrested.

My mum never heard from them again and the insurance went through as normal. The police were very good.

IAmNotASheep · 07/06/2024 20:53

Spirallingdownwards · 07/06/2024 18:51

Can you point me to the piece of legislation that says this is the case? Whilst there may be covenants on certain newer estates I am not sure this is correct but if so please link the legislation.

You are quite right @Spirallingdownwards
theres no maximum height limit for a hedge on boundaries.

OP. They cannot force your mum to cut her hedge.
She is not legally obliged to do so.
If the neighbours want to take the matter to court the amount of overshadowing will be considered. It doesn’t sound like there’s excessive height or overshadowing and fake grass 🤢doesn’t need the sun.

Roryhon · 07/06/2024 20:50

My mother had an issue with a difficult neighbour always reporting her to the police for ridiculous things. In the end we sent a recorded delivery letter to them telling to cease and desist her harassment or you will be taking legal action. I’d also get a ring doorbell and state that n the letter - that you will be recording and documenting all incidents of harassment or bullying from this point forward. It did work with my mum’s neighbour.

Mrsjayy · 07/06/2024 20:49

Justcallmebebes · 07/06/2024 20:14

It really is not illegal to cut hedges until the end of August. Where on earth did you get that from? This site is truly insane at times

What are you on about ?

Beanie12345 · 07/06/2024 20:49

There is a high hedges act. However no way would you net the criteria. It’s worth a read. You could even print off and highlight and use as evidence why it’s fine to them. Good to know the criteria. There’s an ‘over the hedge’ section that could be useful as that’s the approach they should be taking.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-hedges-complaining-to-the-council/high-hedges-complaining-to-the-council

like they’re just being bullies. Maybe make a diary and keep the letters and take photos of the garden and hedge for reference purposes. Quivering if there’s grounds for harassment. No harm in revisiting with HA/police. There is the nesting season rule where she’s not be able to prune either.

Your poor mum.

High hedges: complaining to the council

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-hedges-complaining-to-the-council/high-hedges-complaining-to-the-council

Reugny · 07/06/2024 20:43

Justcallmebebes · 07/06/2024 20:14

It really is not illegal to cut hedges until the end of August. Where on earth did you get that from? This site is truly insane at times

It's hedges with nesting birds under Section 1 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981.

When in doubt you presume there are birds there until you can prove otherwise

I lived in a house share with lots of hedges and we had to wait until the middle of kids school holidays in England before we cut them back. There were actually nesting birds in two of them.

One of my friends also had high hedges. They don't cut them back until August every year.

Papyrophile · 07/06/2024 20:42

GracieGrowler · 07/06/2024 14:54

Yeah I just wanted to check if anyone knows the actual legal position here. I can't really afford a solicitor's letter but would do it if I thought it would be the end. Every year it's just the same and they won't stop.

Sorry if I am repeating previous posts, but the law is quite explicit that cutting back hedges and trees after March 1st is forbidden. Cut back between late October until 28 February is fine. From March 1st, no. You must wait until the end of September. The rule is to protect fledglings. We have hordes of them in our garden now. Learning to fly and practising landings. Working out how to get on to the feeding stations, and where to peck. And in a few days, we're taking the bird table away so they learn how to feed themselves during summer when food will be abundant.

Ap42 · 07/06/2024 20:31

Could you complain to the HA about the neighbours on your Mum's behalf? It's bullying and abuse of an elderly lady who just wants to enjoy her garden. Your poor Mum.

Cherrysoup · 07/06/2024 20:31

You need the
police (Neighbourhood team) to go to the neighbour. They are plain and simple bullying her and that is anti-social behaviour, causing fear, not sure if it’s a public order offence (possibly if outside).

Hadalifeonce · 07/06/2024 20:17

Miriad · 07/06/2024 14:58

The legal height for a front garden fence or hedge in the UK is 1m (3.2ft). If it’s taller you need planning permission.

I don't think this information is correct.

Justcallmebebes · 07/06/2024 20:14

Mrsjayy · 07/06/2024 18:27

Also this.

It really is not illegal to cut hedges until the end of August. Where on earth did you get that from? This site is truly insane at times

Justcallmebebes · 07/06/2024 20:12

crayfishyum · 07/06/2024 15:01

this is complete nonsense and a mumsnet work of fiction perpetuated about 10 years ago

Exactly. Most solicitors charge £300 + per hour and certainly don't send letters out for free. I know as I've worked in law for many years. OP your neighbours have no redress at all. Your mum needs to either ignore them or go back to the HA and ask them to deal with it. She is in no way in the wrong here

Tootytoot78 · 07/06/2024 20:00

Your poor Mum shouldn't have to put up with these feckin' bullies.
We bought a Dekco security camera from Amazon after some anti social behaviour on our close, I think it was £30. It is set up so you can see it on your phone and you'd be able to keep an eye on your Mum.
It's good for evidence, even the police officer who called about our complaint said the picture quality was brilliant.
Hope things improve for your Mum, and she gets to enjoy her garden again.

Seeline · 07/06/2024 19:51

The 1m rule only applies to walls and fences as they are development under the Planning Acts. Growing plants does not count as development and there is no restriction on height.

The High Hedges legislation only relates to evergreen species, or where a hedge is mostly every. It only comes into force for hedges over 2m (6'6").

Cas112 · 07/06/2024 19:43

Just tell her to ignore and put a ring door bell up

If they come round and proceed to intimidate her, she should complain to police about harassment

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