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AGAIN! Something must be done

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Singersong · 07/06/2024 12:22

Yes I know, another XL bulky thread. But seriously, this breed is like a mine field, randomly killing owners all over. You never know when/where it will happen next.

I truly can't wrap my head around people like this woman - may she rest in peace - who are all over the internet defending these KILLERS. They all think theirs is different, theirs would never kill, theirs is a big softy.

Is it time to do something more serious? The legislation brought in doesn't seem to have stopped deaths, although at least it does appear to be the owners (who are stupid enough to keep them) who are dying now instead of innocent members of the public.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed/

XL Bully owner was celebrating birthday when she was mauled to death - as videos emerge of her defending breed

An XL Bully owner killed by her dog had just come home from celebrating her birthday when she was mauled to death.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/xl-bully-owner-celebrating-birthday-mauled-death-videos-defending-breed

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beergiggles · 10/06/2024 22:23

@DysonSphere those two dogs combined are more than double my body weight🥴😱
Is she's a bit simple and can't think beyond large dog = gentle giant?

Or she had a fantasy of herself as a hero saving an endangered species?

beergiggles · 10/06/2024 22:04

Seedsnnut · 10/06/2024 20:08

He leaves behind five sons - four teenagers and a 10-year-old.
Their mother Eileen died from cancer in February 2013 aged 46.

How awful, I’m sorry but he failed his kids. They already had lost their mother and he chose to do a job like that?

The article says he died “doing what he loves” but I wonder if his children will see it that way when they become adults having become orphaned in childhood due to him “doing what he loved” 🙄

I mean it’s one thing doing a risky job like firefighting and saving actually people from fires but to do a risky job like that which serves no good purpose to society was a great disservice to the world and to his children. I hope he at least had the foresight to take out life insurance.

You are exactly right. This man put dogs -unwanted problematic dogs- above his own children, his own flesh and blood.
He rescued dogs to gratify his own ego, pretending he was a hero saving an endangered species.
Maybe that's unfair, maybe some people fall hopelessly and unconditionally in love with dogs; any and all dogs 🤷🏼‍♀️
Maybe it's a compulsion like gambling?

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 10/06/2024 21:03

Something about that "died doing what he loved" really rubbed me the wrong way too. Nobody loves being torn to shreds do they.

And yes, he was an irresponsible parent. Seems getting accolades for helping dogs was more important than his human children.

DysonSphere · 10/06/2024 20:43

Seedsnnut · 10/06/2024 20:08

He leaves behind five sons - four teenagers and a 10-year-old.
Their mother Eileen died from cancer in February 2013 aged 46.

How awful, I’m sorry but he failed his kids. They already had lost their mother and he chose to do a job like that?

The article says he died “doing what he loves” but I wonder if his children will see it that way when they become adults having become orphaned in childhood due to him “doing what he loved” 🙄

I mean it’s one thing doing a risky job like firefighting and saving actually people from fires but to do a risky job like that which serves no good purpose to society was a great disservice to the world and to his children. I hope he at least had the foresight to take out life insurance.

Yeah I picked up on that 'Died doing what he loves' bit.

I just couldn't even get my head around it as I couldn't see the positive.

LordPercyPercy · 10/06/2024 20:18

@LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster Yes my neighbours have a lovely little staffie and he's quite small. About a quarter of the size of some of those XL bullies by my estimation.

Seedsnnut · 10/06/2024 20:08

He leaves behind five sons - four teenagers and a 10-year-old.
Their mother Eileen died from cancer in February 2013 aged 46.

How awful, I’m sorry but he failed his kids. They already had lost their mother and he chose to do a job like that?

The article says he died “doing what he loves” but I wonder if his children will see it that way when they become adults having become orphaned in childhood due to him “doing what he loved” 🙄

I mean it’s one thing doing a risky job like firefighting and saving actually people from fires but to do a risky job like that which serves no good purpose to society was a great disservice to the world and to his children. I hope he at least had the foresight to take out life insurance.

Seedsnnut · 10/06/2024 20:03

IndecentPropolis · 10/06/2024 18:21

Absolutely. Organisations like SOSD are as despicable and thick as any owner of any banned breed. And I’m sorry but this man was just as bad. So his job was to “rehab” abused dogs and get them into homes? Basically passing on the problem of potentially dangerous animals.

The mindset of people like this is, I think in part, driven by a peculiar sort of ego. “I can succeed where others failed. I know better than anyone else. I have a gift. I can make the unhomeable, rehomeable”.

Yeah I remember thinking the same thing when I read this story, it was up near Dundee or something. This man’s actions had he lived could sadly have contributed indirectly to a lot more deaths at the hands of dangerous dogs.
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DysonSphere · 10/06/2024 18:32

IndecentPropolis · 10/06/2024 18:21

Absolutely. Organisations like SOSD are as despicable and thick as any owner of any banned breed. And I’m sorry but this man was just as bad. So his job was to “rehab” abused dogs and get them into homes? Basically passing on the problem of potentially dangerous animals.

The mindset of people like this is, I think in part, driven by a peculiar sort of ego. “I can succeed where others failed. I know better than anyone else. I have a gift. I can make the unhomeable, rehomeable”.

They may think exactly like this, but it didn't work out for the lady who lost her hand after 'saving' two XL bullies after the ban in England.
She almost lost a hand:

She said she rescued the two dogs, Storm and Cee, in January shortly after a ban was imposed on the breed in England and Wales

She told how she needed surgery to reattach her hand after the horrific attack at her flat in Edinburgh last month.

The devastated woman wrote on social media: "Imagine having over 100kg ripping you apart, thinking I'm going to die."

The animal lover said she adopted the Bullys, one weighing 57kg and the other 48kg, earlier this year ahead of tough controls on the breed coming into force following a series of killings and maulings

^www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/12836966/xl-bully-dog-attack-hand-chewed-leith-edinburgh/^

It is over-confidence.

Woman has hand chewed off by her two ‘loyal’ XL Bully dogs in horror attack

A WOMAN has told how her hand was chewed off after she was savagely mauled by two “loving and loyal” rescue XL Bullies at her home in Edinburgh. We previously told how the 26-year-old w…

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/12836966/xl-bully-dog-attack-hand-chewed-leith-edinburgh

IndecentPropolis · 10/06/2024 18:21

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 10/06/2024 00:40

Holy shit I thought the dog was just taken to his kennels by the police.I didn’t know Saved our Seized dogs had a hand in it.
That despicable organisation put fundraisers out where there is an incident so the dog can once again be free to attack again.
They should be sued for every dog they get back out in the population again that is attacking.

Absolutely. Organisations like SOSD are as despicable and thick as any owner of any banned breed. And I’m sorry but this man was just as bad. So his job was to “rehab” abused dogs and get them into homes? Basically passing on the problem of potentially dangerous animals.

The mindset of people like this is, I think in part, driven by a peculiar sort of ego. “I can succeed where others failed. I know better than anyone else. I have a gift. I can make the unhomeable, rehomeable”.

LooneyLiberalSpaceWaster · 10/06/2024 13:58

Escothesia your relatives large dog can not be a English staff if its a large dog.
Pure bred Staffs are only just about a medium dog. The ideal standard is up to 16in tall, and weighing no more than 17kg

The large long legged, more athletic looking dogs that many people are now referring to as staff, or buying from unregistered breeders more than likely have pit bull in their heritage. There is a fair number of them, many conform to pit bull type, some get taken away under the BSL.

Unfortunately the same idiots who now have XLs, are the same idiots that had Pit bulls, and the same idiot breeders were 20 years ago crossing staffs with pit bulls.

TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 10/06/2024 08:45

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You know what they say when you make assumptions? I’ve got a lovely neighbour with an XL bully. The dog is muzzled, walked and seems to have a good life. She is a responsible dog owner. However, would I allow children or small dog into her house? Not a chance. I trust the neighbour but these dogs are unpredictable.

Where I lived before, it was an estate and unfortunately, there were a few “owners” who had XLs. One dog was often in the small front garden, repeatedly throwing itself against the fence. It was terrifying as an adult. I’d never walk my family past there!

Misthios · 10/06/2024 08:22

I do wonder about the ego of someone who genuinely thinks ‘you are all wrong because you are manipulated by the media and I am built different and can see through it all

Combination of super-large ego with a good dollop of stupid. Dangerous combo.

Itsonlymashadow · 10/06/2024 08:20

I do wonder about the ego of someone who genuinely thinks ‘you are all wrong because you are manipulated by the media and I am built different and can see through it all. Everyone is wrong and I am right because I can see what you can’t’

I also judge someone who starts calling people racists and xenophobic, because of their opinions on XL bullies.

As the daughter of immigrants (on both parents sides) and someone who is mixed race, I find it laughable. And have to question the intelligence of someone who tries to connect the two.

LazyGewl · 10/06/2024 07:49

iamreallyabee · 07/06/2024 12:40

What did I say ?

i don’t know why they called you mad either. Did you ever find out? I cba to rtft

ClockworkDisaster · 10/06/2024 07:47

Escothesia · 09/06/2024 21:36

Obvioypusly not an actual vet as they have to get better alevels than a dr.
So maths would likely feature in that with logically trying to claim it is the increased numbers of them. No matter how many there are there shouldnt be this number of attack or deaths. Most dogs are not xl bullies and when did you last see a random dog attack and it wasnt a xl bully.??
The issue is the fatal attacks which have gone up hugely. Attacking their owners too. Adult men unable to fight them off.
When the dog walker died from her own xl bully with other dogs the dachshund didnt get put down as it still didnt attack even with the other ones attacking.
Afaik xl bullies are a pit bull mix. As that is not allowed here they shouldnt havebeen either.

The video the other day of the neighbour attacked but mostly ok, i note the owner presumably hasnt had the dog put down...

Frankly we could do with some huge civil suits againsr the owners. I understand that the dogs are supposed to be insured. But how many of the recent attacks have they been insured. Clearly the one attacking the neighbour was
A - not on a lead
B - not muzzled

I feel like it is an xl bully i see at a car boot locally. It is unmuzzled, unnecessarily close to many people and children.

Are the smaller ones from a different genetic line?

Relatives have a large dog probably a staffie. It is huge. Really generally large dogs shouldnt be brought to visit other children.

My friend didnt agree with me saying dc wont be goinv into house with bully dog. Howver he had no odea and was shocked when i showed him what xl bullies look like

Your relatives large dog won’t be a Staffie. They are roughly the same height as a cocker spaniel according to the breed standard so a medium sized dog. If you see them on something like Crufts you will be surprised at how small they are.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 10/06/2024 07:26

Otterock · 10/06/2024 06:51

I’m not sure what everyone saying that they all need to be culled immediately are expecting? We’re not going to see the effects of the ban overnight until the breed starts to die out - which shouldn’t take too long as they’re always such unwell dogs anyway (terrible joints so in chronic pain a lot of them which will not be helping their temperament).

I also think the pts rate of these dogs will speed up.After all their owners are not the most financially astute shall we say and might pay many thousands for one of these dogs but begrudge paying out vet fees.
There was a big movement to threaten vets by the breed apologists on social media when the ban first came in, but I can see more dogs being just quietly taken to the vet for pts without fanfare.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 10/06/2024 07:13

DysonSphere · 10/06/2024 05:57

Lol at the 'You're racist' one. I would have said that was far out the gate, but we literally had an accusation of racism and anti-immigrant on the thread😂😂

Honestly I have seen the racist one used many times on social media by these breed apologists.

Bewareofthisonetoo · 10/06/2024 07:04

YellowSunblueclouds · 07/06/2024 12:45

They all need to be PTS. Get rid of the breed totally

Completely agree. God knows there are enough dogs around - if people want a dog as a substitute human, get one of the more docile breeds.

DoubIeLeopardy · 10/06/2024 06:59

SavageTomato · 09/06/2024 23:12

I want to know how and when DEFRA and the relevant border agencies allowed pit bull dogs into this country in the first place. The DDA has been in place since 1991. That means that pits should not be possible to own here. So who the fuck let the descendents of Kimbo into the country???

KK's frozen sperm is being used for artificial insemination. The dogs themselves aren't being let into the country.

Link

Otterock · 10/06/2024 06:51

I’m not sure what everyone saying that they all need to be culled immediately are expecting? We’re not going to see the effects of the ban overnight until the breed starts to die out - which shouldn’t take too long as they’re always such unwell dogs anyway (terrible joints so in chronic pain a lot of them which will not be helping their temperament).

DysonSphere · 10/06/2024 05:57

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 10/06/2024 00:56

Oh dear another breed apologist.
No dear don’t bother with the “you’re all just being brainwashed by the Newspapers”.
Sadly dog attacks by this type of dog are all over social media of humans and other pets.They aren’t being invented it is really happening, but of course as a breed apologist you will just come out with some pitbull bingo excuse

Lol at the 'You're racist' one. I would have said that was far out the gate, but we literally had an accusation of racism and anti-immigrant on the thread😂😂

Seedsnnut · 10/06/2024 01:23

mossylog · 09/06/2024 23:41

Jack Russels can be dangerous to babies but the poster is still minimising.

Three babies have been killed in the last forty years in the UK by three different Jack Russels. They were unattended as far as I can tell, and in two cases other dog breeds were involved.

About 13 staffies have killed people (including adults) in the UK in the last 20 years.

About 13 Bully XLs have killed people (including adults) in the UK in the last 4 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

Interesting stats. Not sure if it’s been mentioned but apparently her staffy joined in and attacked her too after the XL bully did. It’s all very sad.

I think we need better rules on dogs in the UK irrespective of breed. For example in Germany I think it is - they have rules about the length of your dog lead in busy areas ie. So you don’t get people using retractable leads everywhere. And certain carriages in trains are dogs friendly other carriages are dog free. And some countries impose muzzles more widely.

I was on a UK train recently where a dog was running up and down the aisle and no one seemed to care. This looked like quite a small relatively harmless dog but It bothered me that you can’t escape a potentially very strong and unpredictable animal in a confined space like that which you can’t just easily leave. What if it were a more powerful breed of dog in that train?

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 10/06/2024 00:56

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Oh dear another breed apologist.
No dear don’t bother with the “you’re all just being brainwashed by the Newspapers”.
Sadly dog attacks by this type of dog are all over social media of humans and other pets.They aren’t being invented it is really happening, but of course as a breed apologist you will just come out with some pitbull bingo excuse

AGAIN! Something must be done
IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 10/06/2024 00:40

JammyJellyfish · 09/06/2024 19:31

but even experienced dog handlers are getting killed by dangerous dogs. This kennel owner got asked to rehabilitate a dog by ‘save our seized dogs’ group & was attacked & killed. This group tries to save dogs which are classed as dangerous. Left his 5 children orphaned. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-59781502.amp

Holy shit I thought the dog was just taken to his kennels by the police.I didn’t know Saved our Seized dogs had a hand in it.
That despicable organisation put fundraisers out where there is an incident so the dog can once again be free to attack again.
They should be sued for every dog they get back out in the population again that is attacking.

Martha23 · 09/06/2024 23:58

BlackFriYay · 09/06/2024 23:09

And here is what they call a "micro" bully.

Just what the fuck, honestly.

It doesn't even look like a dog.

That reminds me of the evil dog thing off the ghost busters. That terrified me as a kid lol